Certificate- Wallet or Bag?

"TaxSrv" wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote
In short, Barney Fife could "request" to see your cert, and
probably
seize it (I think that's another section of Part 61; definitely if
you're intoxicated, as recent airline events have shown.).

It doesn't say you must present it immediately when Barney requests
to see
it.

Feds don't write state laws; must look to wording of law in each
state, and they must have a law on the books to able to inspect the
cert. Sample:

"...and either or both of the certificates must be presented for
inspection upon the demand of any passenger, any peace officer, or any
official, manager, or person in charge of any airport or landing
field upon which the pilot or aircraft shall land."

The consequences of failure to present valid cert varies by state.
While most states make it misdemeanor to operate w/o a certificate,
the quoted state makes violation of the above a misdemeanor also. So,
here if you're observed by police operating an aircraft, and refuse to
present the certificate immediately upon demand, you can be arrested.

Fred F.

The discussion was not in reference to operating an aircraft. The reference
was to anytime. I can't see any state passing legislation requiring me to
have my pilots certificate on my person while walking to the Seven 11. Then
again maybe I can. There is an overstock of really stupid politicians.

Sure enough. From the FCC rules Q&A on their web page:

Q. Can I operate my station as soon as I see that information about my amateur
operator/primary station license grant appears on the amateur service data base?

A. Yes. You have authority to operate when the information about your license
grant appears on the data base.

Q. Does this mean that I don't have to wait until the license document arrives
in the mail?

A. That is correct. You do not have to have the license document in your
possession in order to operate an amateur station at a location where
communications are regulated by the FCC. See Part 97. Appendix 1.

Perhaps this was different in 1970 when I first took my Novice exam? My memory
is pretty strong that despite getting mail from The Little Print Shop, a QSL
printer in Texas whose owner must have waited outside the FCC building every day
to get the new license postings and send advertisements, I had to wait for the
license itself before I was supposed to operate my transmitter. Maybe not.

David

Marcus Walls wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:48:52 GMT, David Kazdan wrote:

person. Federal law (FCC regs) do say that the license has to be immediately
available when the licensee is exercising the priveleges of his radio
transmitting license. Dad was incensed, I looked into it a little bit, found
that it happens occasionally, reportedly more in Michigan than in Ohio.


Actually, I'm pretty sure that FCC regs DON'T require you to have
license available when exercising the privledges.

I remember being told that I could exercise my license after seeing my
newly issued callsign in the FCC's online database.

officer could
ask me for my pilot's licence because of the AOPA sticker on my car,

Can't you join AOPA if you are not a pilot? What if you were an aviation
writer, let your medical lapse, or were considering taking lessons?

I'd laugh at a cop who asked me for proof I had a right to the AOPA sticker. I
don't think it obliges me to show proof of anything. For heaven's sake, how
many folks stick a logo for a security company on their window so someone will
THINK they have an alarm system?

"StellaStar" wrote in message
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Can't you join AOPA if you are not a pilot? What if you were an aviation
writer, let your medical lapse, or were considering taking lessons?


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Yes, I am a member of AOPA, but not a pilot...

Cub Driver wrote:
certificate and the New Hampshire pilot's certificate.

I'm sorry, did I read that? New Hampshire has its own pilot certificate?

Silly me, I thought aviation was the exclusive domain of the Feds.

--Dave

--
Dave Buckles

http://www.flight-instruction.com

Dave Buckles wrote:
Cub Driver wrote:
certificate and the New Hampshire pilot's certificate.

I'm sorry, did I read that? New Hampshire has its own pilot
certificate?

Silly me, I thought aviation was the exclusive domain of the Feds.

Can't find such a certificate in a quick browse of NH law, but
aviation is not the exclusive domain of the feds, but rather federal
preemption involves a complex set of rules the courts follow. Court
decisions go both ways.

Fred F.

Can't you join AOPA if you are not a pilot? What if you were an aviation
writer, let your medical lapse, or were considering taking lessons?


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Yes, I am a member of AOPA, but not a pilot...

It's also possible to be a pilot and not a member of AOPA

all the best -- Dan Ford
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and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

I'm sorry, did I read that? New Hampshire has its own pilot certificate?

I think I may have been the last person to send in my $25. Evidently
it no longer exists.

To be strictly accurate, it is a STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE AIRMAN
REGISTRATION. My instructor assured me that if I ever had to make a
forced landing, the first thing that would happen is that the copper
would ask for it, and if I didn't have it, there would be a $300 fine.

Mine is good till 2005.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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I'm sorry, did I read that? New Hampshire has its own pilot certificate?

I think I may have been the last person to send in my $25. Evidently
it no longer exists.

To be strictly accurate, it is a STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE AIRMAN
REGISTRATION.

And, as many of us could tell you, the State o'Washington airman
registration recently went up from $8 all the way to $15. The main selling
point for the $8 was that it goes to the Search and Rescue fund. Now it's
"Your fees will go directly to support these educational outreach programs,
as well as the State's air search and rescue operations, and maintenance of
public use airports throughout Washington State."

Personally, I suspect that it costs more than $15 just to administer the
annual registration and send out the printed Pilots Guide, and it probably
cost more than $7 to publicize and defend the increase.

-- David Brooks

Certification of airmen IS reserved to the federal government as a matter of
settled case law - the idiot actions of various councilmen not
withstanding...
Other issues such as training schools having to do fingerprints, background
checks, etc., per state law are currently in litigation, but so far the
rulings are favoring the federal preemption - Michigan, et. al.
State laws that require an airman to display his certificate to state and
local LEO's upon demand, have generally been upheld at the appellate level
as part of state powers to ensure the public safety...
denny
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