Possibly apocraphal story about Enola Gay display

On Sat, 29 May 2004, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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Is it even completely independant today? I notice stuff I have from Canada
(maps, etc) have some gibbersih about "Her Majesty the Queen"...


Canada achieved complete independence from the British Parliament in 1931,
after the passage of The Statute of Westminster. The British monarch
remains the chief of state but has very little authority.

Actually, the Queen of Canada (and other places, thanks Paul!) happens to
be an Englishwoman, and (at least in theory) retains considerable power. A
democratic constituional monarchy is a bit more complex than, say, a
republic...

Parliament & the Governor-General exercise the Queen of Canada's authority
on a day-to-day basis, but it is (again, in theory) her authority, not
theirs...

At least we don't have a Texan moron in charge!

Brian.

On Sat, 29 May 2004 17:44:04 -0700, Brian Burger
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At least we don't have a Texan moron in charge!

Brian.


Can you fly an F-102?

On Sat, 29 May 2004 04:35:51 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

In fairness to NASM, that's pretty much what they do with all their
aircraft. And it's probably more true at Udvar-Hazy than at the big
museum on the Mall. That's what I appreciated most about the new
annex: there's no Walt Disney "interpretation". If the kids aren't
happy looking at airplanes, they can go to the Imax.

Man, Udvar-Hazy is sounding better all the time.

The "Disney-treatment" of aircraft "artifacts" is what turned me off at the
big museum on the Mall, and made me long for the Air Force Museum in Dayton.
It almost seemed like the aircraft were an after-thought.

For me, the big appeal for the mall was the space stuff; Other than a
few historical pieces, the aircraft were mostly secondary. The AF
museum was THE place to go for military aircraft (I'd love to see a
civil aviation museum).

Just the planes, ma'am, just the planes -- that's all I want. And it
sounds like Udvar-Hazy delivers.

Yes, but you'll be through in a few hours. I was under the impression
they let you walk through the Concorde fuselage, but that was not to
be. It was pretty cool sitting by it while I ate my lunch, tho'.

Next year, for sure!

Bring $12 for parking.

On Sat, 29 May 2004 09:48:43 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Amazing, if true, although it isn't the first time I've heard of the
Japanese style of blindered teaching of this period of their history.

I don't necessarily blame the Japanese for glossing over their own sordid
history. They have to shave every morning, too.

I think the psychologists call that "evasion".

Nope, the word is "denial". To be fair, the post-war generations of
Japanese have never been TOLD of the sins of their nation. And
ironically, it may have been at least partly our doing.

My only worry is that *their* warped perception somehow becomes *our*
view,
rather than the other way around. If we ever allow this to happen, and
we -- for instance -- "tone down" the Enola Gay display, we dishonor our
veterans and lose the moral high ground.

It's worse to evade what you did well and proper than to try to forget.put
past you, what you did wrong. I'd imagine a rather bad psychosis could
develop, but imagine that psychosis on a national scale.

On Sat, 29 May 2004 05:50:17 -0400, Cub Driver
wrote:


They have a Shinto shrine in Tokyo dedicated to the perpetrator of the rape of
Nanking.

I've never heard about this, and I've paid a lot of attention to
Nanjing and Japanese memory. Most likely you're thinking of Yasukuni
Jinja http://www.warbirdforum.com/yasukuni.htm which is neither in
Tokyo nor dedicated to the Nanjing perps.

If there's such a shrine as you describe, I'd appreciate a pointer to
it.

Yasukuni Jinja does indeed enshrine convicted war criminals from WWII.
This is the English translation of the intepretation available at the
shrine:

"Moreover, there were those who gave up their lives after the end of
the Great East Asian War, taking upon themselves the responsibility
for the war. There were also 1,068 "Martyrs of Showa" who were cruelly
and unjustly tried as war criminals by a sham-like tribunal of the
Allied forces (United States, England, the Netherlands, China and
others). These martyrs are also the Kami of Yasukuni Jinja."

Is this the place where Tojo's ashes were interred?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Even the Frenchies in Quebec?

That seems unlikely.


I believe they had a plebiscite on separation from Canada a few years ago.
I see Quebec is still part of Canada.

"Brian Burger" wrote in message
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Actually, the Queen of Canada (and other places, thanks Paul!) happens to
be an Englishwoman, and (at least in theory) retains considerable power.


What power?



At least we don't have a Texan moron in charge!


Nor do we any longer, thankfully!

Orval Fairbairn opined

In article , "Ash Wyllie"
wrote:

Paul Tomblin opined

In a previous article, "Bill Denton" said:
The problem is, that's the same sort of revisionism being taught to
American school children.

I'm still bewildered at how many USian adults don't know that the US
tried to invade Canada during the Revolutionary War, and lost, and tried
to invade Canada again during the the War of 1812 and lost, or that
during the Wo1812, British and Canadian troops actually burned the White
House, and that's why it's white - to hide the smoke stains on the marble.

Could you guys come back and finish the job? And get the Capital building
this time too.


That's what the hijackers on UA 93 were trying to do!

Okay, don't kill any innocent civilians while you are at it. Is there such a
thing as an innocent politition?


-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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Something about cutting the umbilical?


The parties involved seem content with the present situation.

So did my brother-in-law that didn't leave home until he was 37.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Even the Frenchies in Quebec?

That seems unlikely.


I believe they had a plebiscite on separation from Canada a few years ago.

It failed by something like 50.5% to 49.5%

I see Quebec is still part of Canada.

I wonder how those in western Canada feel about it.