Finish lines

Hi JJ;

Well look on the bright side; at least you wont roll
out of bed so often :-)


I need another prescription for Viagra.

He handed me 2 free samples and said, see you in 5
years.

;) JJ

Wow! Got your final glide calculations that badly
wrong?

Not really, ideally I would have reached redline just before crossing
the finish line, but Ephrata had a particularly ugly set-up. The finish
line was located in the middle of the ramp, so after finishing one was
forced to make an emmediate climbing 180 turn and fly 1/2 mile back to
set-up for a landing on the ramp. That day I believe I crossed the line
at about 100 feet and 145 knots. Needed every bit of that energy too,
in order to make it back to the entry point for landing. The PW-5 was
flying slow because he needed to conserve everything he had in order to
do the same thing.

Thankfully, Ephrata saw the light and went with the 500 foot-1 mile
cylinder the next year. Made everything sooooo much easier, just
pull-up, slow-up, turn down-wind for the ramp. Make a radio call if you
saw others near by. The difference in anxiety level was like day and
night and I was able to save all that testosterone for the bedroom.
;) JJ

In article .com,
wrote:

Thankfully, Ephrata saw the light and went with the 500 foot-1 mile
cylinder the next year. Made everything sooooo much easier, just
pull-up, slow-up, turn down-wind for the ramp. Make a radio call if you
saw others near by. The difference in anxiety level was like day and
night and I was able to save all that testosterone for the bedroom.

Um.

Isn't it the others nearby that you *didn't* see that the radio call is
for?

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Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+-
Hoult | 174.8263E | /\ here. | ----------O----------

At 00:30 07 May 2005, wrote:
The difference in anxiety level was like day and
night and I was able to save all that testosterone
for the bedroom.
;) JJ


Too much information JJ - you're not going to do one
of your accident reports on that are you?

;-)

At 14:00 09 May 2005, wrote:

Morning Kirk (with 2 K's)
When I was a staff puke at Langley (DOE) we worked
a proposal to stop
doing the overhead, pitch-out pattern because of safety
considerations.
The conclusion was it should be retained because it
was the fastest way
to get 4 ships back on the ground. It's also very enjoyable
to watch.


Made a career out of taking the fun out eh JJ? ;-)

I think someone said the gate is more efficient at
getting gliders on the ground because of more obvious
sequencing. Guess the Air Force proved it for us.

Can't fly my desk so I'll rattle JJ's cage one more
time...

See you at the cylinder!

9B

Mornin' Andy,

See you at the cylinder!

I'm not doin' no cylinders, ther're dangerous. I'm
going to finish at 5000 feet, fly home and mail in
my disk.

7V and I logged 300 miles in the Mendacinos last Wednesday,
Weaverville and back out of Williams.

You going to Avenal?
JJ

At 05:00 06 May 2005, Andy Blackburn wrote:

My point was I don't think it's a great idea to be
so cavalier about low altitude spins. The 500' cylinder
encourages an aggressive, ballistic pull up to reach
the finish altitude for pilots on a marginal glide.
The gate doesn't - you just land. The fact that someone
got away with a spin at 400' is not a confidence-builder
for me.

9B



The answer to that problem is simple, it's the start
scenario in reverse. Any pilot flying below the minimum
finish height is recorded as a landout at that point.
There is now absolutely no point in pulling up to 500ft.

When I went to Tonopah several years back, I noticed that Death Valley
was on the turnpoint list. I saw an oppotunity for diamond altitude in
thermal... but even better, I really enjoyed the notion that you could
have a save below sea level and some 6000 feet below the home drome.
Never got the chance, thankfully, to sample DV, but it was an
interesting notion. I'd still like to log an "underwater" save.

Sergio Colacevich (C2) made a remote start out of Soar Truckee at
Bridgeport, Ca (~80 nm away!), flew to Death Valley, spoilered down to 1200'
msl (!) thermalled away, went to 17,900' on the White mountains, and
returned for a landing at Bridgeport.

All 3 diamonds in one flight, without wave, and without exceeding 18,000',
from a departure airport at 5,900 msl. I was the official observer.

That save was 4,700' "underwater".
-Bob Korves

wrote in message
oups.com...
When I went to Tonopah several years back, I noticed that Death Valley
was on the turnpoint list. I saw an oppotunity for diamond altitude in
thermal... but even better, I really enjoyed the notion that you could
have a save below sea level and some 6000 feet below the home drome.
Never got the chance, thankfully, to sample DV, but it was an
interesting notion. I'd still like to log an "underwater" save.

Actually, in thinking about it I have done about 5-10 "underwater" (if
underwater can be defined as below takeoff) saves. It is not that unusual
when flying out of a 5,900 msl airport (Truckee) with lower terrain nearby.
None like Sergio's 4,700' though!
-Bob Korves

wrote in message
oups.com...
When I went to Tonopah several years back, I noticed that Death Valley
was on the turnpoint list. I saw an oppotunity for diamond altitude in
thermal... but even better, I really enjoyed the notion that you could
have a save below sea level and some 6000 feet below the home drome.
Never got the chance, thankfully, to sample DV, but it was an
interesting notion. I'd still like to log an "underwater" save.