Humour airplanes and women

Peter Duniho wrote:
"Michelle" wrote in message
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That's great. But you're one of the rare women who have managed to ignore
or get past the sexism in the aviation industry. That's good for you, but
means you're not exactly representative of women generally.

Yes she is. Are you a woman? Then don't comment on your experiences.
Like I just posted, it's demeaning and insulting for you to say that we
are insulted and harassed.

Peter Duniho wrote:




If you think you are being refused service simply because of your skin
color, then you are being discriminated against.

Bull****.

"Dan Luke" wrote in news:11skm3qcv2cqg90
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"Peter Duniho" wrote:

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And people wonder why so few women participate in aviation.


The jokes are tasteless and stupid and do reflect a kind of boneheaded
good-ol'-boyism that infects aviation to an excessive degree.

The howls of protest and cries of "politically correct!" that greeted
your post are illustrative.

Hang in there, Pete.

I forget where I heard this, but I'm pretty sure it was a
radio talk show host. He said something along the lines of,

"If I say something that offends you, that's not *my*
problem. It's *yours*. I'm not the one who is offended".

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"Rachel" wrote in message
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Again, what sexism? Do you work in the industry, or are you a
recreational type pilot? Until you've spent a lot of time in the
industry, please don't comment on the sexism which is largely created by
the politcally correct camp.

In fact, by saying women are not attracted to aviation because of sexism,
you're negating our abilities. It's demeaning and insulting.

You'll have to excuse Peter. He hasn't been out of the house since 1932.

"Skywise" wrote in message
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"Dan Luke" wrote in news:11skm3qcv2cqg90
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The jokes are tasteless and stupid and do reflect a kind of boneheaded
good-ol'-boyism that infects aviation to an excessive degree.

The howls of protest and cries of "politically correct!" that greeted
your post are illustrative.

Hang in there, Pete.

I forget where I heard this, but I'm pretty sure it was a
radio talk show host. He said something along the lines of,

"If I say something that offends you, that's not *my*
problem. It's *yours*. I'm not the one who is offended".

Well, by that reasoning, everyone who's offended by Pete's criticism should
understand that that's *their* problem, not Pete's.

But of course, that reasoning--like the PC label--is applied very
selectively. The anti-PC crowd seems to believe that it's ok to express
*their* opinions, but anyone who dares to question or criticize the tenets
of right-wing political orthodoxy is offensive and out of line ("feel free
to end your life" rather than voicing an objection--that's how Grumman-581
summarized it elsewhere in this thread).

--Gary

Peter Duniho wrote:
That's great. But you're one of the rare women who have managed to ignore
or get past the sexism in the aviation industry. That's good for you, but
means you're not exactly representative of women generally.

Being aware of sexism in the aviation industry doesn't mean we can't
take a joke. It definitely exists, and there's a time when being
sensitive to it is appreciated; but looking for a reason to make a fuss
when there is none doesn't help the cause. The blurb was pretty funny,
especially the one about it being very bad when things get quiet! Most
of us (women) have been around long enough to know the difference
between humor and an intentional insult.

Rachel wrote:
Again, what sexism? Do you work in the industry, or are you a
recreational type pilot? Until you've spent a lot of time in the
industry, please don't comment on the sexism which is largely created by
the politcally correct camp.

It's great that you haven't encountered it, but it *does* exist ... I
personally don't believe it stops anyone who really wants to pursue
aviation goals, though. Using that platform to make a fuss about this
funny set of comparisons is a pretty big stretch. Most of us (women in
aviation, recreational and/or professional) are smart enough to be able
to distinguish a gender joke from an actual sexist offense.

unicate wrote:
Rachel wrote:

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It's great that you haven't encountered it, but it *does* exist ... I
personally don't believe it stops anyone who really wants to pursue
aviation goals, though. Using that platform to make a fuss about this
funny set of comparisons is a pretty big stretch. Most of us (women in
aviation, recreational and/or professional) are smart enough to be able
to distinguish a gender joke from an actual sexist offense.

The point is, women aren't scared away from aviation by sexism. Plain
and simple.

unicate wrote:
Rachel wrote:

The point is, women aren't scared away from
aviation by sexism. Plain and simple.


Maybe the ones who don't really want it that bad are. I've not seen it
keep anyone with an ounce of determination away, tho.

Very true. If you don't really want something, you'll make up any
excuse when it gets tough.

Rachel wrote:
The point is, women aren't scared away from
aviation by sexism. Plain and simple.

Maybe the ones who don't really want it that bad are. I've not seen it
keep anyone with an ounce of determination away, tho.