Busted TFR, what to expect?

"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern?

Yes.

I call for a briefing before *every* flight I take, whether it be a local
or x/c flight, specifically due to the concern of busting a TFR.

I am aware that there still is a risk that a previously unknown TFR might
even slip past the FSS briefers, but at least there will be a record of my
attempt at obtaining all information.

--
Peter

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.

-Robert

That would be me. Granted I live inside the largest (T)fr area in the
country, but for the most part it does not change. I've just developed
the habit of asking before each flight. Sure it takes a couple of extra
moments but it's worth it.
John

On 24 May 2006 19:57:34 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote in . com::

Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern?

It would seem that those airmen who fail to check for TFRs before
every flight are in violation of:


http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...1.3.10&idno=14
§ 91.103 Preflight action.
Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become
familiar with all available information concerning that flight.
This information must include— ...

Larry Dighera wrote:
It would seem that those airmen who fail to check for TFRs before
every flight are in violation of:


http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...1.3.10&idno=14
§ 91.103 Preflight action.
Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become
familiar with all available information concerning that flight.
This information must include— ...


Oh, ****. Will filling out a NASA report save me?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern?

Yes. The only flight I've ever piloted without getting a briefing first was
my intro flight. Starting with the second lesson, my CFI had me get a
briefing before every flight, and I've done so ever since. If the weather is
obviously clear and calm, I may not bother to write down the briefing info,
but I'll still get the briefing. At a minimum, I either take a minute to
consult DUATS before leaving home or at the FBO, or else I talk to FSS for a
minute while I'm walking across the ramp to the plane. Skipping the briefing
would be like skipping a required part of the preflight inspection.

--Gary

Yes. Plus a briefing.

I also have the Garmin 396 ON! It gives real time TFRs and is convenient and
accurate.

Karl
ATP,CFI, ETC


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.

-Robert

The 396 ROCKS! (sorry, I cant think of a better possitive explitive)

To see "real time" where the TFR's, real time winds aloft, real time
cloud cover, real time lighting strikes, real time nexrad AND realtime
convective sigmets is a pleasure, especially on a long cross country.

While it doesnt give realtime MOA activity, it does have a quick and
simple meathod of checking the altitudes and normal hours of MOAs and
Restricted areas (just "mouse over" the picture and a pop up tells
you...)

Yes it's expensive, yes the monthly service is expensive ($50/month),
but I would not want to do long VFR cross countries without it!

--
-- ET :-) (student PPL pilot)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams


"karl gruber" wrote in
:

Yes. Plus a briefing.

I also have the Garmin 396 ON! It gives real time TFRs and is
convenient and accurate.

Karl
ATP,CFI, ETC


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.

-Robert

On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:11:54 GMT, ET wrote in
::

While it [Garmin 396] doesnt give realtime MOA activity,

Hell, even the FSS is often unable to provide accurate information
regarding actual hot MOAs.

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.

I'm like you, rarely check notams. When prez/vice prez are anywhere in
the state it's big news and you'll hear about it.

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In rec.aviation.piloting Newps wrote:


Robert M. Gary wrote:

Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.

I'm like you, rarely check notams. When prez/vice prez are anywhere in
the state it's big news and you'll hear about it.

They really didn't say much about it on the news, if at all. In
fact, it was further south, towards Modesto and Stockton more than
Sacramento, IIRC. As far as the newspaper, they go to press that night,
so the news you heard the night before is printed in the morning the
following day. The Sac. Bee only does one printing per day. So it would
have been really easy to not hear about the VP's visit until the day
after.

Either way, NOTAMs definitely should have been looked at or
notifications sent out, in one way or another.

BL.
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