Ladies & Gentlemen: Happy Fourth!

Matt,

You would have to own your own oil well.


BS! Can't you Americans get into your head that there are countries
besides yours? Jeeze!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Matt,

You would have to own your own oil well.


BS! Can't you Americans get into your head that there are countries
besides yours? Jeeze!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)


Sure we can. They just aren't important.

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Matt,

You would have to own your own oil well.


BS! Can't you Americans get into your head that there are countries
besides yours? Jeeze!

A little over reacting, perhaps?

That was ONLY a comment on the fact that it would be very expensive to do
the trip.

Jeeze!
--
Jim in NC

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Matt,


You would have to own your own oil well.



BS! Can't you Americans get into your head that there are countries
besides yours? Jeeze!

What has that got to do with my statement above? I fully recognize
there are countries other than my own. I also know a little about the
costs of flying in Europe. It is 2-10X more costly than in the USA last
I knew. If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it as it
will help Jay. Why do you think so many European pilots come to the US
for flight training? Even with travel and living costs it is cheaper
than training in Europe.


Matt

In article . com,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Please fill me in: What would I, as an American pilot, have to do to,
say, rent a plane in England, fly it to France, Belgium, Austria,
Germany, and back to England?

Something none of the other followup threads have mentioned is "lots of
Euros!!!"
Everything is going to cost you alot more; aircraft rental, fuel, oil,
facilities fees, EuroControl, etc. Add to that the poor exchange rate of
the dollar to Euros.
Would some of you Continental RAPer's please post some prices/costs
associated with the above items for reference?

John,

Something none of the other followup threads have mentioned is "lots of
Euros!!!"

That's a well known fact. However, that does not at all mean it's
"impossible".

Would some of you Continental RAPer's please post some prices/costs
associated with the above items for reference?

Depends on the country. A lot. Avgas varies from around 10 $ per gallon in
Germany to 6 $ in Denmark, for example.

A mid-seventies 172 or a PA28 can be rented for 160 to 220 $ per hour, wet
- often per hour flight time, not Hobbs. If you take it for an extended
trip, you can get it cheaper.

A landing at a small airport in Germany will cost you 10 bucks. In Denmark,
it might be free. A landing at Berlin-Tempelhof, the "mother of all
airports" (Sir Norman Foster), well known from Billy Wilders' movie (can't
remember the title) will cost you 100 $ - but it is worth it. And you can
do it, while you can't land at Reagan Airport in DC. Talk about land of the
free...

Eurocontrol (read ATC user fee) costs nothing for MTOW below 2 metric tons.
At some 8 or so major airports in Germany, there is an ATC departure fee of
15 bucks, however.

A CFI for the checkout will probably be around 80 $ per hour.

Is that "a lot more"? Is it within the realms of the possible? You decide.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Is that "a lot more"? Is it within the realms of the possible? You decide.

For the average USA pilot, yes.
Thanks for responding, it truely puts things in perspective for us on
this side of the pond.
One more question: What type of flying in Europe requires an instrument
rating?

("Thomas Borchert" wrote)
A landing at Berlin-Tempelhof, the "mother of all airports" (Sir Norman
Foster), well known from Billy Wilders' movie (can't remember the title)
will cost you 100 $ - but it is worth it.


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000697/
Billy Wilder

Is this the film? Dad always liked this one, when it came on TV.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055256/
One, Two, Three (1961)
James Cagney

Speaking of German born Directors...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0943758/
William Wyler isn't bad either :-)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0943758/bio
Interesting biography of Wyler.

(Not a bad run g)

The Heiress (1949)
Thunderbolt (1947)
The Best Years of Our Lives (1946)
The Memphis Belle: A Story of a Flying Fortress (1944)
Mrs Miniver (1942)

"In June of 1944 he permanently lost the hearing in his right ear while
filming a bombing mission from a B-17."

Trivia for: The Fighting Lady (1944)
The film follows the WWII exploits of the Essex-class aircraft carrier USS
Yorktown (CV-10) (unidentified in the film), in its first major operations
following its commissioning in 1943.

"In the scene of a strafing mission against the Japanese-held island of
Truk, one of the figures seen running for cover is an American POW.
According to his autobiography, that prisoner was Maj. 'Gregory H. 'Pappy'
Boyington' , the highest-scoring U.S. Marine pilot of the war, who had been
shot down a few months before in the Solomon Islands."

"...was an assistant director on the original Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ
(1925) and 34 years later directed its remake, Ben-Hur (1959)."

"I made over forty Westerns. I used to lie awake nights trying to think up
new ways of getting on and off a horse."


Montblack

Jay,

I would MUCH prefer flying myself around Europe, but have been
dissuaded from the notion by many people who have inferred that it is
quite impossible.

In these groups, you can finde a wealth of information on how possible
that is.


Please fill me in: What would I, as an American pilot, have to do to,
say, rent a plane in England, fly it to France, Belgium, Austria,
Germany, and back to England?

Do a check-out and rent it. Easiest would be to find an N-reg. Should be
very much doable in the UK. That would also enable you to fly IFR, if
you have the rating. You can fly a UK-registered plane with the FAA
certificate, however, I am not quite sure about crossing borders in that
case. You might need some kind of certificate conversion for that. We
can find out...

There are just two difficult things:

1. You'd have to study the regs a little, as they differ from country to
country and from the US.
2. You'd have to pay more than you are used to.

Other than that, it is by no means more difficult than for a foreigner
intending to fly in the US.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

There are just two difficult things:

1. You'd have to study the regs a little, as they differ from country to
country and from the US.

Do the rules differ in any real way, or are they just goofy little
regulatory differences that have no immediate impact on most real
flights. (For example, if Belgium's VFR cloud restrictions are
different than France's, it's just a "gotcha" on a test, rather than
anything "real".)

What does a rental checkout involve? Will (for example) a German FBO
be comfortable renting Mary and me an airplane for a week? How about
if they know I'm going to fly outside of Germany?

2. You'd have to pay more than you are used to.

Okay, so it sounds like renting a plane for a flight around Europe will
cost at least 100% more than flying Atlas here in the States.

Sound about right?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"