Why GA is Dying

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The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


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James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Emily" wrote in message
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| Dudley Henriques wrote:
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| It "ain't" perfect, that's for sure. The best approach
is one of quiet
| cooperation
|
| The best approach to unfair legislation and scare tactics
is NEVER quiet
| cooperation.

When post 9/11 checks started, a friend of mine, an airline
pilot, was on the road. They took his nail clippers too and
then he went to the cockpit and checked to see that the
crash axe was stowed. It would make Buffy a good vampire
killer.

There was also the case of a federal marshal who had
paperwork to carry his gun on the flight and TSA cleared him
to board with his loaded pistol, but they took his nail
clippers since they were not on the paperwork.

TSA---Too Stupid for Arby's




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James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
ink.net...
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| "Emily" wrote in message
| . ..
| Dudley Henriques wrote:
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| You can parse the "my rights are being violated" thing
to death, and you
| can complain about the inconvenience till you're blue
in the face, but
| the bottom line is simply that you can't have it both
ways.
|
| But taking pictures isn't illegal. I live right near a
large Class B
| airport with a great observation area. I also like
taking pictures. I
| once had a cop come up to me at the observation area and
ask why I was
| taking pictures. I told him that it wasn't illegal and
I wasn't under any
| obligation to explain myself to him. Yeah, he could
have made me leave,
| but knowing I was right, he walked off.
|
| My point is, when I get harassed by a cop (and harassed
I was, since I
| wasn't doing anything wrong), I'll keep on complaining.
A 20-something
| white girl with a camera and commercial certificate in
her purse is as
| much a security hazard as a rabbit. And you CAN have it
both ways.
|
| No, you can't have it both ways.
|
| People who are taking pictures at airports unfortunately
are now a security
| issue. This doesn't mean the security people have a right
to "hassle" you or
| push you around, but it does mean that if you are
questioned politely in a
| non threatening manner you either will respond to this
"intrusion" by
| recognizing its a security issue until you demonstrate
that its not, or you
| will stand there and shout like hell that your personal
space and rights are
| being violated and that taking pictures isn't illegal.
| No one says the system is perfect. Actually, it stinks.
But complaining
| about your right to take pictures in an atmosphere where
security is an
| issue is not necessarily the best approach.
| Hell...you think your case was bad? I have a friend who
Captain's a 747. He
| and his entire crew were stopped and body searched at a
major US hub while
| an entire line of civilians went through the gates
unhampered. After 20
| minutes or so of this, they took his nail clippers. The
flight was late
| getting off, but those civilians went through just fine.
| It "ain't" perfect, that's for sure. The best approach is
one of quiet
| cooperation unless there is an actual incident involving
your innocent
| activity and security people hassling you, and I mean
REALLY hassling you!.
| Just my opinion mind you :-)))
|
| Dudley Henriques
|
|
|

Dudley,

People who are taking pictures at airports unfortunately are now a security
issue.


One example where the taking of pictures led directly to a security breach.
Just one. Thanks.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

It only has to happen once for a tragedy to occur. No-one checked the soles
of your shoes for explosives until someone tried to blow up something with
explosives in their shoes either. A perfect example of not bothering with it
until a tragedy occurs. When someone takes some pics of a plane, and those
pics are found in the apartment of someone who's just blown themselves and
your best mate up with that same plane somewhere down your street, will you
be complaining why nobody did anything when they saw him taking the pictures
at your local aerodrome?
I'm with Dudley on this one.
Crash Lander

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I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong!
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Dudley,

People who are taking pictures at airports unfortunately are now a
security
issue.


One example where the taking of pictures led directly to a security
breach.
Just one. Thanks.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Dudley,

People who are taking pictures at airports unfortunately are now a
security
issue.


One example where the taking of pictures led directly to a security
breach.
Just one. Thanks.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

You seem to be missing the point.
Even if one assumes there has never been a single incident of someone taking
a picture at an airport that has led directly to a security issue, which may
or may not be the case BTW ; the fact remains that taking pictures at
airports has now been placed within the realm of a possible security issue,
and as such, those taking these pictures at airports are well advised to
conduct themselves accordingly while on airport property.
The fact that this "disturbs" you as an individual, or that some person you
challenge on Usenet to produce examples has absolutely nothing at all to do
with the simple fact that taking pictures at airports falls directly into a
security issue category for those entrusted with these issues.
Your argument is weak and flawed. The statement that "people taking pictures
at airports are a security issue" is correct. You are attempting to disprove
that statement by inserting your opinion on the necessity for the issue,
which of course is irrelevant to the argument at hand.
It's an old dodge really; changing the premise to present a new result. You
should consider a career in politics :-))
Dudley Henriques

The cop was just trying to make conversation. Some of them routinely find
reasons to talk with young women.

Skylune wrote:
The cop was just trying to make conversation. Some of them routinely find
reasons to talk with young women.

You sound jealous SkyDip****, can't you get women?

Your wife can answer that.

Kyle Boatright wrote:
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September 11 or not, customer service at flight schools and FBOs has
gone down the tubes. I can't tell you the number of times I've been
blown off when I go in to rent an airplane. They have no way of knowing
WHO I am, and when I walk in and am just handed a rental sheet and
brushed off, they might have just lost a potential student.

Then there was the guy at one FBO who wouldn't let me back on the ramp
to my plane because I didn't have ID. ID was in the purse, in the
backseat on the airplane. I'm not sure if they wanted the airplane
sitting permanently on their ramp or not.

Anyway, I'm not sure anyone even cares about the survival of general
aviation. I just hope the airlines survive, or I'm out of a job. Ick.

To be fair to the FBO guy, the TSA security training enforces the view
that everyone at the airport should be treated with suspicion. He was
probably following what he was told to do.



Emily wrote:
Kyle Boatright wrote:
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September 11 or not, customer service at flight schools and FBOs has
gone down the tubes. I can't tell you the number of times I've been
blown off when I go in to rent an airplane. They have no way of knowing
WHO I am, and when I walk in and am just handed a rental sheet and
brushed off, they might have just lost a potential student.

Then there was the guy at one FBO who wouldn't let me back on the ramp
to my plane because I didn't have ID. ID was in the purse, in the
backseat on the airplane. I'm not sure if they wanted the airplane
sitting permanently on their ramp or not.

Anyway, I'm not sure anyone even cares about the survival of general
aviation. I just hope the airlines survive, or I'm out of a job. Ick.