The Comair crash reminds me...

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
I wonder if we'll see calls for scheduled service to require active
tower controllers.


Active tower controllers?

As opposed to sedentary tower controllers?

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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As opposed to sedentary tower controllers?

Beats me. I'm hoping for clarification from Kyler Laird.

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Guy Elden Jr wrote:

all I did was reset the dg to the runway heading,

Guy, I am curious about this. I have flown with other pilots who reset
the
DG to the runway heading, but when I question them about this, they admit
to setting the DG to the runway number (with the trailing zero, of
course).
As you most likely know, the runway number (with trailing zero) can be off
from the actual heading by as much as 10 degrees.

This leads me to my question: How do you easily discover the actual
runway
heading at an unfamiliar airport?

Airport diagram. Usually give the MH to the 0.1 degree. If no AD is
available, get the number from an ILS chart.


Do you, after deciding on the runway you
would use once you start the aircraft, pull out instrument charts or
airport diagrams and write down the runway heading?

Why would you NOT taxi with the AD in front of you?


I am curious how others integrate this into their post-start, pre-taxi or
pre-takeoff checklists.

Other than my home airport, which I could (and have) taxi around in near
total darkness, I ALWAYS have the AD, if there is one, on the yoke.

YMMV!

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Jim Macklin wrote:

Actual runway details are on the instrument approach charts,
including direction to the degree and elevation and slope.

Yep, I am aware of that. I was curious whether it is common for pilots to
pull out their instrument charts after learning of or deciding upon what
runway is in use/to use at an unfamiliar airport. It seems to me that
with
the workload of pre-taxi, taxi, and pre-takeoff checklists, this item is
probably not a task many pilots perform. Or do they?

They do if they're smart.


In my case I have a slaved HSI in my Bonanza, so I had been quickly
comparing the HSI heading to the runway number to see if it is within ten
or so degrees of the runway number as part of the "lights, camera, action"
taking-the-runway mnemonic.

Likewise. It's the first task when rolling onto the RW.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
I wonder if we'll see calls for scheduled service to require active
tower controllers.


Active tower controllers?

As opposed to sedentary tower controllers?
Couch potatoes?

John Gaquin wrote:
"Emily" wrote in message news:E-
Hahaha...I tried that last month in a certain hotel that must have been
100 feet from the interstate.

Why don't you stay elsewhere?


I'd never stayed there before, so how would I know?

Unfortunately, my company, who shall remain nameless, gave me 12 hours
notice that I was going there. There was a convention in town, and
nowhere else to stay.

Jay Beckman wrote:
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Emily" wrote in message news:E-
Hahaha...I tried that last month in a certain hotel that must have been
100 feet from the interstate.
Why don't you stay elsewhere?


The key to waht Emily said was in the fact that her employer sent her on
business...the golden rule.

Them with the gold, makes the rules.

If your employer is buying, you stay where you're put.

LOL! They didn't make any rules in this case....they had to pay $280 a
night for this place, because it was the only hotel in 100 miles with rooms!

"Peter R." wrote in message

would use once you start the aircraft, pull out instrument charts or
airport diagrams and write down the runway heading?

Most carriers require a taxi chart out whenever the aircraft is moved under
power.

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Jay Beckman wrote:

The key to waht Emily said was in the fact that her employer sent her on
business...the golden rule.

Them with the gold, makes the rules.

If your employer is buying, you stay where you're put.

With regards to a quiet(er) room, who is paying or who made the
arrangements shouldn't matter. You (rhetorical) are the one staying at
the
hotel. At a minimum, you have power when you check in so assert yourself
at that point.

If you notice the hotel is next to the highway when you are being dropped
off/driving up in a rental car, request a room away from the highway at
check-in. If you didn't notice and suffer a lousy night's sleep, complain
the next morning and demand a new room.

If the hotel is surrounded by a highway and there are no quiet rooms or
the
place is sold out, complain to your company travel agent or employee who
handles the travel arrangements so that next time they might look
elsewhere.

As part of a very large group of travelers all going to a location where
hundreds of thousands of spectators are also visiting, you are somewhat of
a unique case of business traveler, Jay. You probably exemplify the
phrase, "you get what you get."

--
Peter

Yeah, I guess I oughta stay out of this one...

We do have quite the traveling circus and we aren't your usual business
types...

LOL...

Jay B

"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:

I wonder if we'll see calls for scheduled service to require active
tower controllers.

Active tower controllers?

As I said, a tower controller who was not (quite yet) on duty ("active")
turned around the commuter plane following me to the wrong (for him)
runway. (Yes, I could have just said "active tower" but the real help
comes from the controller.)

The Today Show this morning had a spot where an NTSB spokesperson said
"during the takeoff roll the flight crew noted that the lights were out
on the runway" then the voice over breaks in with "but the crew never
applied the brakes or radioed the tower. Instead the captain called out
'rotate' telling the first officer to pull up at the appropriate speed."

Was the tower active or was that comment from out of nowhere? If it was
active...well, was the plane really cleared for takeoff onto the wrong
runway?

Also, it sure sounds like they (theoretically) could have made the
takeoff on that runway. Anyone have the performance tables handy?

--kyler