If user fees go into effect I'm done

scott moore writes:

Ie., if you want to move to a model of charging
us to use a controller, we will want to move to a model without
controllers.

Unfortunately, just because you don't have controllers doesn't mean that you
cannot be charged fees.

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All I have to say about user fees is that if they are implemented and
I am going to be nickeled and dimed to death by a bureaucratic
nightmare that adds overhead and significantly more per hour cost to
an already expensive per hour rate for flying time, I am going to hang
up my wings...

Just imagine what the per pilot cost of the FAA will be when about
200,000 pilots are driven out of the system by user fees.


Maybe Hillary will use some of the Exxon profits that she wants to use for
alternative energy (since it is her money obviously) and help out us lowly
GA pilots.

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DW

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wrote in message
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All I have to say about user fees is that if they are implemented and
I am going to be nickeled and dimed to death by a bureaucratic
nightmare that adds overhead and significantly more per hour cost to
an already expensive per hour rate for flying time, I am going to hang
up my wings...

Just imagine what the per pilot cost of the FAA will be when about
200,000 pilots are driven out of the system by user fees.


Maybe Hillary will use some of the Exxon profits that she wants to use for
alternative energy (since it is her money obviously) and help out us lowly
GA pilots.

Ah ha - the GA pilots are looking for welfare - socialism OK in this
instance then.

wrote in message
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All I have to say about user fees is that if they are implemented and
I am going to be nickeled and dimed to death by a bureaucratic
nightmare that adds overhead and significantly more per hour cost to
an already expensive per hour rate for flying time, I am going to hang
up my wings...

Just imagine what the per pilot cost of the FAA will be when about
200,000 pilots are driven out of the system by user fees.


Nah! You will pay up just like a junkie whose favourite fix has gone up in
price. You might fly a bit less but it will be your hourly cost that will
change as you do less hours.

User Fees are not a new idea. When I was in the military in Germany I
did some flying out of a local airport (though the flight school was
run by an American ex-pat). There
you had to pay for each landing. If you were doing touch and goes, it
added up pretty fast. That was 35 years ago.

David Johnson

On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:46:30 -0800, wrote
(in article .com):

All I have to say about user fees is that if they are implemented and
I am going to be nickeled and dimed to death by a bureaucratic
nightmare that adds overhead and significantly more per hour cost to
an already expensive per hour rate for flying time, I am going to hang
up my wings...

Just imagine what the per pilot cost of the FAA will be when about
200,000 pilots are driven out of the system by user fees.


User fees will stop some people from flying, but most pilots will probably be
able to cope. The thing that gets me is the unending harassment. It is enough
to make you want to become a hermit. (Actually, I tried that :-) )

I can no longer fight political battles. I am completely exhausted. You guys
will have to fight the next civil war without me -- and I am convinced that
civil war is inevitable.

For myself, things have gotten so fouled up that I can no longer get medical
insurance in the state of Washington. Thanks to Mike Lowrie's insurance
'reforms,' there are NO medical insurers willing to cover anyone who does not
work for a big corporation. Group Health and one or two others might do it
for big deductibles and premiums approaching $1000 a month. I am sick of
fighting taxing authorities, insurance companies, and everyone else who has a
hand out. When I die, what the feds don't take, the state will seize the
rest. So it is all for nothing. With problems like that, user fees are just
another gnat sting. Foo.

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World Famous Flight Instructor

On Feb 11, 7:21 pm, C J Campbell
wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:46:30 -0800, wrote
(in article .com):

All I have to say about user fees is that if they are implemented and
I am going to be nickeled and dimed to death by a bureaucratic
nightmare that adds overhead and significantly more per hour cost to
an already expensive per hour rate for flying time, I am going to hang
up my wings...

Just imagine what the per pilot cost of the FAA will be when about
200,000 pilots are driven out of the system by user fees.

User fees will stop some people from flying, but most pilots will probably be
able to cope. The thing that gets me is the unending harassment. It is enough
to make you want to become a hermit. (Actually, I tried that :-) )

I can no longer fight political battles. I am completely exhausted. You guys
will have to fight the next civil war without me -- and I am convinced that
civil war is inevitable.

For myself, things have gotten so fouled up that I can no longer get medical
insurance in the state of Washington. Thanks to Mike Lowrie's insurance
'reforms,' there are NO medical insurers willing to cover anyone who does not
work for a big corporation. Group Health and one or two others might do it
for big deductibles and premiums approaching $1000 a month. I am sick of
fighting taxing authorities, insurance companies, and everyone else who has a
hand out. When I die, what the feds don't take, the state will seize the
rest. So it is all for nothing. With problems like that, user fees are just
another gnat sting. Foo.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

I hear you, but still I won't keep flying if I have to deal with user
fees. The gas is expensive enough as it is...

Flying is a hobby for me, not a vocation. I love it but I'm not a
wealthy man. As a member of the middle class, I am falling farther
and farther behind inflation. I haven't had an increase in my salary
since 2001. Gas prices have gone way up since then, as have other
staples. Thank god I bought my house in 2000. I wouldn't be able to
afford to buy it now!

Lou Dobbs is the only journalist who even has a clue as to what is
really happening right now, and he is a voice in the wilderness. We
are being sold out by our congressmen and our business leaders...
they keep getting richer and the rest of us fall farther behind every
year.

Globalization is sucking this country dry, as are the leeches in our
government. Its going to get a lot worse before it gets better...
and it may very well come to a civil war if our economy collapses.

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Globalization is sucking this country dry, as are the leeches in our
government. Its going to get a lot worse before it gets better...
and it may very well come to a civil war if our economy collapses.

A civil war is extremely unlikely. The usual pattern is a succession of
increasingly troublesome crises, terminating with the end of democratic
government and a new dictatorship. Democracies are their own worst enemies,
and they tend to regularly self-destruct. The problem with giving everyone a
voice is that many people are stupid.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

A civil war is extremely unlikely. The usual pattern is a succession of
increasingly troublesome crises, terminating with the end of democratic
government and a new dictatorship. Democracies are their own worst enemies,
and they tend to regularly self-destruct. The problem with giving everyone a
voice is that many people are stupid.


I have to agree with you completely on that.

It benefits a government for its subjects to be ignorant, and if you can
control the educational system then you can insure a continued dumbing
down of society to a point that rebelion is less likely. Like piglets
sucking on a hogs teats, the people can be placated in various ways.

There truly *should* be some sort of test before one can vote so as
to weed out the both the ignorant and the stupid people.

ktbr writes:

It benefits a government for its subjects to be ignorant, and if you can
control the educational system then you can insure a continued dumbing
down of society to a point that rebelion is less likely.

Yes. That's why widespread lack of education (particularly illiteracy, and
particularly among women) is seen in countries with high rates of corruption
and severely autocratic regimes.

Like piglets sucking on a hogs teats, the people can be placated in
various ways.

Bread and circuses. Many people care about little else, and will always vote
in favor of this. Even in Russia, there are people who pine for the old days
of the Soviet Union: sure, you didn't have much freedom, but you didn't really
have to work hard, you couldn't go broke, etc., because the state looked after
you.

There truly *should* be some sort of test before one can vote so as
to weed out the both the ignorant and the stupid people.

Yes, but unfortunately those tests invariably become corrupt, as they are used
to create a voting elite, rather than to assess competence to vote. The
problem is that the tests are usually imposed by the same people who are
elected by the voting, which is a conflict of interest.

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