I'm not a real Pilot?

On Mar 30, 11:57 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
David writes:
So why is it the general public thinks that to be a real
pilot you have to aspire to become a scheduled airline captain?

For much the same reason that some people think that people who fly simulators
cannot be real pilots. It's human nature to try to rank people, always in
such a way that the person doing the ranking turns out to merit a high rank,
whereas other people turn out to merit a low rank.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

I've used MSFS off and on since I was a teenager, and I used it
extensively during my instrument training. It saved me a lot of money
for learning instrument procedures, and it was a great tool. But
nothing about MSFS *makes* one a REAL pilot. I'm a newbie pilot with
a fresh commercial certificate and a still wet instrument rating. But
from the little bit of trudging around the skys I've done, there's no
way to simulate the real thing. I've "flown" level D airlines sims
before, and they don't even compare to flying around in a real C172.

On Mar 30, 7:32 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes:
There is also no reason put forth by the real world aviation community that
I have ever seen anyway, that denies anyone from becoming a pilot if that is
their choice.

I hope your next medical goes well.

--
Dudley was being pretty darn nice to you, my friend. But that's a
pretty snarky remark.

You really need to realize who have tried to be your friends on this
list.

I remember a few months ago when there was a thread on navigation, and
I explained how pressure pattern navigation works and how it could
complement celestial navigation (from my KC-135 days a few decades
ago). You actually seemed appreciative of the information, even though
it doesn't really apply to current-day technology.

Unfortunately, you don't show that very often. There is a LOT of
experience to draw from on this list, anything from GA to airlines to
military, and all are willing to help.

Oh, well. FWIW, I spent a couple of hours tonight flying a Piper
Archer in FS9 from BZN, up the Madison River valley, past Ennis, over
Virginia City to the Jefferson River valley, crash and dash at Dillon,
followed I-15 to Butte, then over Homestake Pass and back to BZN where
I landed safely. I had just downloaded a bunch of scenery enhancements
for FS9 and wanted to see what they looked like.

The scenery enhancements (FSGenesis) looks great, and it was fun
flying from the comfortable chair of my office, beer just an arm's
length away, and flying over places I fly in an Archer in real life.
Not the same, but still fun.

Take care, my friend.

--Walt
Bozeman

It is highly unlikely that a person who never flew/piloted an aircraft
before could land one successfully. There is a reason it takes about 10
to 30 hours of instruction to land a single engine plane. It is not
something that people can do naturally. There are also enough people
flying small planes who have used "flight simulators" prior to taking
lessons. I have never, ever heard of someone who could land a plane
right from the start. It just does not happen.


Before I decided to go for the ticket to fly, I had played with the MS
Flight Sim extensively. At least hundreds of hours in the C172
landing, flying, everything. Anyway, I was flying with my CFI and we
went to Oceanside airport and he put me on a stabalized approcach and
said "your plane" and I tried as hard as I could, but it just was not
gonna happen...

I think that was a move on his part to show me that the Sim ain't no
airplane and to make me realize the stakes are much higher.

I would not say it is impossible for someone to get lucky on the first
time out, but it is just that... luck. For me, it took many many
hours to get the procedures down, and getting the flare is an art that
is a unique experience everytime. I have found the landing phase to
be different every time I am on short final. After a short 3 years of
flying, with several hundred landings, I still find landings to be
very challenging and the most rewarding part of flying.

Tonight I went out for my first night flight in over 2 years. Wow,
that is beautiful. I forgot how awesome it is at night. Went to San
Bernadino, Redlands, Banning and back to French Valley. I feel so
fortunate to be able to experience the gift of flight.

Night landings are a whole different story... I felt I was behind the
plane the whole time and always felt too low. Wierd. Bummer, I guess
I need more practice. :-)



Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
See my online aerial photo album at
http://flying.4alexanders.com

Jim Burns wrote:
Ok, now I know this guy is an imposter.
You are NOT Montblack.
The Montblack I know is older than 35 and while he might not say "YES" to
everything he certainly doesn't say "NO" to anything. Obviously this rule
doesn't apply to the "Real Mont-yep-sure-you betcha-of
course-absolutely-affirmative-black".


Yep, way older than 35 and, right again, can't say "No". Obviously,
you're onto something Jim with this MontBlackImposter :-)



--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:41:10 -0400, "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:

Rule 1 for feeling good about yourself in this life is simply this;
Don't ever allow someone else's problem to become your problem.
Dudley Henriques

To that I can only say...Yup!

snip
My daughters classmates met someone outside of
school that knows me and when they got to talking
the kid mentioned that I was a pilot for an airline and
that person (an adult) corrected them and told them
that I was not a real pilot that I only fly TOY planes.


Sounds like jealously or lack of knowledge to me.

I now have something like 1400 plus hours. I originally started to fly
in 1963, but had to take a break. Over all these years I've never had
an urge to fly for a commercial airline. I do like aerobatics and
would love to fly some of the stuff Dudley has flown.

This is one of thoes areas where size really doesn't matter. If you
fly a 747 for fun it must by definition be a toy. :-))

OTOH regruadless of the size of the toy it takes a real pilot to fly
it.! Some of those toys are much more demanding to fly than the big
airliners.

Which reminds me. I wonder if that person would consider the guys
flying for "Air America" back in the 60's and 70's as not real pilots
flying toys.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:18:38 -0400, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea
Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote:

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
...
Oh but first we have this real cool rock collection we want you to see!
Really, they're all over the place. And we'll even let you take them home
with you! The best part is that they are FREE!

Jim
Real farmer masquerading as a Real Pilot


What you need is an Oshkosh style air show on your farm.
Back in the olden days, they would send a tractor with a big flat bed
trailer to wander around the grounds and the PA kept reminding people to
bend over and pick up a rock and toss it on the trailer as it went by.
They got a LOT of rocks picked up that way.
(At least I assume that was just years ago - shouldn't be many rocks left by
now - or am I mistaken?)

But to get back on topic - I've run into people who insist that they want to
fly "real" airplanes - not gliders...

What's this gliders thing. A few years back those were things we
towed behind C47s whos pilots were smart enough not to fly very far
over France.

Sail planes were what we now call gliders. :-))


No brains, no headaches.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On 30 Mar 2007 11:59:26 -0700, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Once again, I'm not a real pilot.
Yesterday my daughter was confronted at school by
some (6th grade) classmates, they said her father was
not a real pilot.

Oh, hell, the world is full of idiots.

I've been told I'm not "really" a hotelier because we only have 28
suites...
I've never even rented a room out so I guess I don't qualify there.

I've been told I wasn't "really" a newspaperman because I worked the
business side of it...

I'm a published author, but when I went back to college they didn't
like the way I wrote so I had to take English 11 and 112.
I offered to write an article for the daily paper as I had the
background and had written articles for magazines. The editor, with
out bothering to check told me that they didn't want articles written
the way they teach in college.


I've been told that I'm not "really" a pilot because I'm not
instrument rated...

I'm rated, but I don't fly the big iron.


I've been told I don't ride "real" motorcycles cuz I don't ride a
Harley...

I did .. for years and now have the bad back to prove it.
I'd rather have a good back.


The list goes on and on. I learned a long time ago not to define my
success (or failure) by what others think.

In the end only we can decide whether we are a success or failure.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On 30 Mar 2007 18:53:30 -0700, "Andrew Sarangan"
wrote:


Another similar comment I often encounter is that I am not a real
doctor because I did not go to medical school.

OK, then answer me this. if we had any real doctors why do they say
they are practicing medicine? We practice to learn.

As a friend and doctor told me one time, once he's done practicing he
going to really charge for his time.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote in message
...

On 30 Mar 2007 18:53:30 -0700, "Andrew Sarangan" As a friend and doctor
told me one time, once he's done practicing he
going to really charge for his time.

I once had a non pilot charter pax ask me before the flight why we charged
so much money for our services. I told him he could make the flight one of
two ways. We could walk out to the airplane together, get in, and I'd do the
flying, or I could show him the airplane and he was welcome to try it by
himself.
Dudley

On Mar 31, 12:09 am, Roger wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:41:10 -0400, "Dudley Henriques"

wrote:
Rule 1 for feeling good about yourself in this life is simply this;
Don't ever allow someone else's problem to become your problem.
Dudley Henriques

To that I can only say...Yup!

snip

My daughters classmates met someone outside of
school that knows me and when they got to talking
the kid mentioned that I was a pilot for an airline and
that person (an adult) corrected them and told them
that I was not a real pilot that I only fly TOY planes.

Sounds like jealously or lack of knowledge to me.

I now have something like 1400 plus hours. I originally started to fly
in 1963, but had to take a break. Over all these years I've never had
an urge to fly for a commercial airline. I do like aerobatics and
would love to fly some of the stuff Dudley has flown.

This is one of thoes areas where size really doesn't matter. If you
fly a 747 for fun it must by definition be a toy. :-))

OTOH regruadless of the size of the toy it takes a real pilot to fly
it.! Some of those toys are much more demanding to fly than the big
airliners.

Which reminds me. I wonder if that person would consider the guys
flying for "Air America" back in the 60's and 70's as not real pilots
flying toys.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)www.rogerhalstead.com

Heh. When I was flying AC119K's out of NKP we'd be flying up in Laos
on a lonely, dark night, looking for friendship, when what would come
into our IR screen just south of Ban Ban but a helicopter. Quick call
on HF, no, no friendlies in the area, cleared to engage.

Well. 150knots, all your guns are on one side of the airplane, and
you're attacking a helicopter that's really not much slower than you
are.

It's not often that a gunship gets involved in air-to-air combat, but
when it happens it's like getting the chance to have sex with (insert
your favorite fantasy here).

We zoomed by the helicopter with an advantage of at least 20 knots
(and, we were descending, so we had energy management on our side) put
two 7.62 miniguns online (the other two were jammed) and unleashed our
fury.

Left wing low, little bit of right rudder for spray effect, and we
made sure we missed'em.

After all, even if everyone hated (envied?) the Air America guys, they
had a great bar in Udorn.

sigh

What fun.

--Walt
Bozeman