Sims

Viperdoc writes:

Actually, if you include all of the other NG's that he has poisoned, the
group that doesn't like him is actually very large.

It amounts to only a few dozen people, and there are tens of millions of
people on USENET.

The blustering, yappy little dogs are a very tiny minority on USENET, but they
make an incredible amount of noise. And if anyone poisons discussion on
USENET, they do.

nobody writes:

... which is more enjoyable: a sim flight or a real flight?

Well, I'm always the pilot on the sim, and I'm always the passenger in real
flights, so it's hard to say. I like take-off and rotation in real aircraft,
with landing coming in second. Cruise is boring. This is also true for
simulation, even when I'm in the cockpit.

I suppose I like simulation better, as there's more aviation to it and zero
overhead, whereas flying for real offers only a few seconds of interesting
stuff (take-off and rotation, landing), and hours and hours of exquisitely
boring overhead. There are other factors working against real flight, too,
such as the fact that you're always going somewhere in a real flight, whereas
I hate to travel.

"LWG" wrote in message
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Lots of posters here have fun bashing MX, but I have to say that one of the more
enjoyable experiences I've had lately was sitting in the family room, in front of the
PC. I am working on my instrument ticket. Ove the years I have collected the CH yoke
and footpedals. I have downloaded a flight model and graphics for my Sundowner. I was
looking out the window at the snow falling, and I set the sim to real world weather.
Damn if the screen didn't look exactly like the weather outside, and I was once again
looking at my panel. The ATC simulation wasn't bad either, and off I went down the
"runway." I got vectored around pretty much the same as when I fly under the hood. I
thought that was absolutely fantastic, and all for about a nickel's worth of
electricity. No instructor or safety pilot needed.

As long as you don't pretend that the mere act of puttering through the air in your MSFS
makes you any kind of expert on actual flying, that's fine. Unfortunately, we have a
poster here who doesn't understand the difference.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Gig601XLBuilder writes:

OK, let me rephrase, It would be like you saying anything about the
taste of Coke having never in your life drinking anything but Pepsi.

Is that like making statements about flying airliners when one has
never flown anything but a single-engined tin-fan prop?



Nope, it's like only ever having eaten **** and claimng you know what
shinola tastes like.



Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

It isn't. You're arguing with a very small group that don't seem to
like you.

Well, I'd be happy to discuss aviation,


No you wouldn't


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Viperdoc writes:

Actually, if you include all of the other NG's that he has poisoned,
the group that doesn't like him is actually very large.

It amounts to only a few dozen people, and there are tens of millions
of people on USENET.


The blustering, yappy little dogs are a very tiny minority on USENET,
but they make an incredible amount of noise. And if anyone poisons
discussion on USENET, they do.


Yeh, right, fjukkwit.


But don't get upset about it. People might get the idea that you have a
limit.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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nobody writes:

... which is more enjoyable: a sim flight or a real flight?

Well, I'm always the pilot on the sim,


No you aren't. nobody is a pilot in a sim.



Fjukkwit.


Bertie

On Dec 14, 6:11 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
.... Cruise is boring. ... whereas flying for real offers only a
few seconds of interesting stuff (take-off and rotation, landing), and
hours and hours of exquisitely
boring overhead.

I don't think cruise is boring in real flying. For me, there are at
least a few significant differences between the sim and real flying
while in cruise:

1) In real flight, a large fraction of my attention during cruise is
directed towards scanning for other traffic. The possibility of a mid-
air is a big motivator for paying attention outside the plane that,
for me, is completely missing when I fly the sim.

2) In real flight, there is always the possibility of screwing up and
flying where I'm not supposed to (e.g., restricted areas, TFRs, wrong
altitude, etc.) with potentially serious consequences. This is
another big motivator to occupy the mind with constant double and
triple checking of my position.

3) The real engine always has the potential to fail in flight, so I'm
always listening to it, checking it's gauges, being attentive to the
slightest change.

4) Most of all, I very much enjoy the pleasure of being in the
airplane and feeling it respond to my control inputs, even when simply
flying straight and level.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:20:36 -0800 (PST), wrote:


4) Most of all, I very much enjoy the pleasure of being in the
airplane and feeling it respond to my control inputs, even when simply
flying straight and level.


5.) The view.

writes:

1) In real flight, a large fraction of my attention during cruise is
directed towards scanning for other traffic. The possibility of a mid-
air is a big motivator for paying attention outside the plane that,
for me, is completely missing when I fly the sim.

Mmm ... yes. Traffic is somewhat lacking in the sim. MSFS will generate
traffic, but it's not very realistic. VATSIM provides much more realistic
traffic, but it's so light that one can get away with never scanning for it.
On a few occasions (a very few), I've had TCAS conflicts and close visual
contact with other aircraft in the latter case, though. Occasionally there
are events where so many aircraft fly at the same time that the network has
the same traffic as real life, and then it can be very interesting.

Of course, in real life, having lots of traffic around isn't fun, but in
simulation, often the things that would be scary or dangerous in real life are
fun or challenging in simulation (such as severe weather, heavy traffic,
etc.).

2) In real flight, there is always the possibility of screwing up and
flying where I'm not supposed to (e.g., restricted areas, TFRs, wrong
altitude, etc.) with potentially serious consequences. This is
another big motivator to occupy the mind with constant double and
triple checking of my position.

This can happen in online simulation, although there are no real consequences,
so it is less stressful, depending on how seriously you take your simulation.
Nobody gets flying privileges revoked for entering prohibited areas, of
course.

3) The real engine always has the potential to fail in flight, so I'm
always listening to it, checking it's gauges, being attentive to the
slightest change.

I consider that a significant argument against real flying. Piston engines
are notoriously unreliable in real life, and I don't see how constantly
watching over them could be enjoyable by any stretch of the imagination.

4) Most of all, I very much enjoy the pleasure of being in the
airplane and feeling it respond to my control inputs, even when simply
flying straight and level.

Ah, well, that you cannot get from a desktop simulator. Aerobatic and fighter
pilots are also at a disadvantage with sims for this reason, although I've
heard that sim programs dedicated to simulation of such aircraft (e.g., Lock
On) can be enjoyable for those who like this sort of thing.

I don't pay much attention to sensations; I like procedures and instruments
and navigation. To me, flying along in zero visibility for an hour and seeing
the runway only seconds before I land brings a considerable sense of
achievement.