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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Rob Perkins" wrote in message ... Now, Steven, I know that. But the popular vote, the one all Bush's enemies keep harping on, is the one he got a bare minority on. How does one get a "bare minority" of the popular vote? Gore received a higher popular vote than Bush, but neither received a majority of the vote. Bush won more states and more counties than Gore, something the Democrats seem to forget. And more importantly, Bush won the only thing that counts. The Electoral College. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
"Rob Perkins" wrote in message .. . Now, Steven, I know that. But the popular vote, the one all Bush's enemies keep harping on, is the one he got a bare minority on. How does one get a "bare minority" of the popular vote? Gore received a higher popular vote than Bush, but neither received a majority of the vote. Ah me. I can't seem to abridge these days. I voted for Bush and for the Democrat congressional candidate for my House district. But he didn't get the most popular votes. Rob, who supports the EC system |
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ...
"Bob Noel" wrote in message ... In article , "Tom Sixkiller" wrote: _NOBODY_ EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISTION!!! *finally*... gosh I was waiting for it... NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again. Sorry, I stopped reading this thread after I told Jay he was beyond rescue. But I *have* to comment on this one, so you know that I am not against everything american... I am a BIG FAN of Monty Phyton and this is one of my favorite sketches! I laugh to tears each time I watch it... Hey, wait a minute! Monty Phyton was not american! Ah, well... |
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Tom, I can't believe you honestly believe your own comments.
"Tom Sixkiller" wrote Shell has not once but twice announced that it has significantly less oil than it thought. You know, they've had these very complaints ging back over 100 years, that we're running out. And somehow... Are you really trying to say that oil is a renewable resource? That there's no reason to look for alternatives and that we should all just relax and mindlessly keep burning oil in our cars and industries? "Tom Sixkiller" wrote I agree. The more the population grows, the more conflict and violence will grow with it. Like the Middle Ages? And here are you actually proposing that the negative aspects of the Middle Ages were a result of the size of the world population? |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote
Personally, our hotel business is up 30% over last year. Now part of that is the fact that we were brand new -- but do you REALLY think a luxury suites hotel would be doing so well if the U.S. economy was doing poorly? Jay, in ANY country you will find quite a lot of people with enough money to fill the most expensive restaurants, hotels, etc. The tip of the pyramid, as tiny as it looks on paper, is still a lot of people. Don't believe everything you read. Anyone who is unemployed right now in the U.S. probably have a reason to be unemployed. Yikes! I'm sure you don't know this (you have no reason to), but in a certain country tens of thouthands of innocent people were killed by the government. Their neighbors used to say "he must have done something". This line of thought has been proven extremely shortsighted and plain wrong. People in this country, although their democracy is relatively new, have learned a lesson you seem lacking. My perception is that you are used to such a nice living standard in such a nice neighborhood, that you simply lost contact with the rest of the world, who usually suffers unjustly. (By "you" I also mean most americans, and by "neighborhood" I also mean the world). |
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Alex wrote: Tom, I can't believe you honestly believe your own comments. "Tom Sixkiller" wrote Shell has not once but twice announced that it has significantly less oil than it thought. You know, they've had these very complaints ging back over 100 years, that we're running out. And somehow... Are you really trying to say that oil is a renewable resource? That there's no reason to look for alternatives and that we should all just relax and mindlessly keep burning oil in our cars and industries? In the early 1900's either the federal government or maybe it was an executive from an oil company came out and said we had something like 9 years and 6 months of oil left in the ground. And that was when we didn't hardly use any oil at all. Now we know of more oil in the ground than the world has used to date. So yes it is not a renewable resource but it also is not even remotley scarce. Having said that we already are developing other means of propelling ourselves around. None make economic sense yet, but eventually they will. |
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Doug Carter wrote in message ...
While I have not dug into the numbers yet, I bet that the ratio of people in the rest of the world that have seen U.S. produced films and listened to U.S. gangsta rap to those who have actually been to the U.S. and observed 'normal' people is many tens of millions to one. Well, I don't like rap, but I would belong to the "one" category. The primary images these people have to produce their perception of the U.S. is based on the beliefs portrayed by the likes of Michael Moore, Ludacris and Dan Rather. I don't think so. I, for one, get my impressions of the US from a lot of sources: news (both US and foreign), political analysts (both US and foreign), having been there, having friends and family there, and from direct experience of the effects of US intervention in my country. But I don't just believe everything I hear or read: as farfetched as this idea may seem (even to me), I do have a mind of my own. I do my best to process all this information and take what seems to be true, just like everybody else does. For example, I've seen "Bowling for Columbine", and I've also read about how Moore distorted certain facts. I can see shades of gray and I can cope with conflicting information. And I don't think I am fundamentaly different from millons over the world. Don't underestimate people just because they don't live next to you. Doing so is equal to bigotry. |
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Rob Perkins wrote
Near as I can tell, the U.S. wants other governments to: 1 -- Not kill their own people (usually a conceded point) 2 -- Afford thier own people a certain set of inalienable rights (such as those afforded the people in, say, Austria) 3 -- Not come over and kill Americans. 4 -- Trade with Americans. Have I left anything off the list? Rob Let's see: 1 -- Not kill their own people (usually a conceded point) In Southamerica the US supported government killing of innocents in concentration camps without trials of any kind. They trained the local military and turned a blind eye to the tortures and killings. 2 -- Afford thier own people a certain set of inalienable rights Like the right to live? Or to know who you are? Or to vote? 3 -- Not come over and kill Americans. Southamerican people had no interest, motive or means to do such a thing. 4 -- Trade with Americans. Only Chile has a trade agreement with the US, and that's decades after they defeated the US-puppet Pinochet. Have I left anything off the list? Yes: "5 -- None of the above." Rob, you have watched too many Hollywood movies. |
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"Newps" wrote in message news:Mpsac.41867$K91.110288@attbi_s02... Alex wrote: Tom, I can't believe you honestly believe your own comments. "Tom Sixkiller" wrote Shell has not once but twice announced that it has significantly less oil than it thought. You know, they've had these very complaints ging back over 100 years, that we're running out. And somehow... Are you really trying to say that oil is a renewable resource? That there's no reason to look for alternatives and that we should all just relax and mindlessly keep burning oil in our cars and industries? In the early 1900's either the federal government or maybe it was an executive from an oil company came out and said we had something like 9 years and 6 months of oil left in the ground. And that was when we didn't hardly use any oil at all. Try the 1880's or so when the conversion to petroleum was in full swing. America's first "Oil Crisis" was WHALE oil, not petroleum. During the Civil War (shortly after the transition from whale oil to petroleum, oil was selling for $2.50 a barrel, or about $100 a bbl in todays $$. Before that, it was the timber crisis...which made coal mining economically feasible....which led in part to the whale oil crisis, which lead to the petro-oil crisis, whcihc led to OPEC, which from the start kept collapsing after a lot of fist waving. I'd recommend (for simiplicities sake) "The Doomsday Myth": 10,000 Year of Economic Crisis" by Maurice & Smithson, and then some of the works of Julian Simon. I could offer long quotes, but I've NEVER found anyone embroiled in crisis-mongering that it could sink into (Alex, in this case possibly). Now we know of more oil in the ground than the world has used to date. So yes it is not a renewable resource but it also is not even remotley scarce. Having said that we already are developing other means of propelling ourselves around. None make economic sense yet, but eventually they will. Indeed!! (See above) |
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Alex wrote:
The primary images these people have to produce their perception of the U.S. is based on the beliefs portrayed by the likes of Michael Moore, Ludacris and Dan Rather. I don't think so. I, for one, get my impressions of the US from a lot of sources: news (both US and foreign), political analysts (both US and foreign), having been there, having friends and family there, and from direct experience of the effects of US intervention in my country. You disagree, but are exceptional in that you have been to the U.S. Direct experience is hard to come by and new analysts are clearly suspect because they most of them are very biased towards an ideology (pro or con) if not directly controlled by government. I wish everyone had more channels like CSPAN and more direct contact so we could form our own opinion. I am curious about the "effects of US intervention in my country." The U.S. has a macro track record of rebuilding and withdrawing from defeated countries (Marshall Plan) compared to Russia (Soviet Union). I presume there are exceptions, but is this a "glass half empty vs. half full" perception problem? I do have a mind of my own. I do my best to process all this information and take what seems to be true, Clearly. Never said or meant to imply you did not. My gripe is with the U.S. entertainment/news industry. And I don't think I am fundamentaly different from millons over the world. There are billions of people in the world and I think you are over estimating the fraction of people who have the access you do. Don't underestimate people just because they don't live next to you. Doing so is equal to bigotry. I did not estimate people; rather I estimated peoples access to direct experience compared to relegated to depending on the somewhat suspect opinions of others. |
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