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Skycather's not TOO ugly, just needs tailwheel
On Jan 10, 6:03 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Jay Maynard wrote om: On 2008-01-11, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: wrote in news:9a6dc13d-0a34-4154-84ba- : I imagine that stuff shattering on hard impact cutting the passengers into tiny shreads. Or at least cutting them up really bad. FRom what I've read, they're not so good in a crash. Wood is supposed to be even worse, with aluminum considerably better and all bested by good old fashioned steel tubing. I dunno how they are in general, but my roommate's dad crashed his Quickie, and said that it looked like one of those styrofoam beer coolers that had been hit ont he freeway: lots and lots of tiny little pieces. He wasn't hurt too badly, however; biggest problems were fractures to the left kneecap and heel. I only know what I've read in Sport Aviation and such about this. Some guys in RAH would know for sure abou tthe statistics, though. I know someone who had a bad one in a Long Eze and wlaked away from it. Engine failure and an off runway landing. He skipped along the ground like a sled shedding pieces of airplane as he went. He was bruised but OK. Anectdotal stuff doesn't tell you much though, you have to look at like vs like. Steel tube is way ahead of everything else, though. It absorbs energy better than anything.Wood is supposed to be the worst. Bertie I've read of at least one guy who crashed his tube-and-rag affair while doing an aerobatic routine at an airshow, and the medics had to hacksaw him out of the wreck. He'd been pierced by a few chunks of busted tubing. I don't think there's any ideal construction. They all have their shortcomings. Best not to crash them at all:-) Dan |
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On Jan 10, 6:17*pm, wrote:
On Jan 10, 6:48 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: On Jan 10, 5:19 pm, John Smith wrote: In article , *Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Al Mooney designed everything "all of a piece" and moving retracts forward in one would be a nightmare. Why move just the landing gear when you can move the whole, one-piece Mooney wing? I'm still trying to locate the picture. Perhaps he move thed tail assembly back enough to set the CG aft of the mains? Unlike a 172, the CG is not close to the mains normally though, its pretty far forward. In a 172 you have to be careful if a couple big guys climb in the back that the tail doesn't hit the ground before the pilot gets in. I"ve never seen this tendancy in my Mooney. -Robert * * * * * *Shifting the CG by lengthening the tail or adding weight will put the airplane's balance in a lethal condition. Main gear wheels are located with reference to the CG, not the other way 'round. A taildragger will have its mains roughly 15° ahead of the CG (which, of course, requires that you know the vertical CG as well as the longitudinal) in the level flight attitude. The axles will normally be very close to being directly under the leading edge of the wing, a long way ahead of the mains on a kiddy-plane--oops, I mean a trike. Its not clear if the individual in question put as much thought into the design you have or not. The only claim is that it flew and flew at least regularly enough to appear at some Mooney events. There is no claim that it flew well or necessarily even safely. -Robert |
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On Jan 10, 7:27*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
John Smith wrote in news:jsmith-C04ACE.20235210012008 @news-server.columbus.rr.com: If the above photo is not enough let me know & I'll hunt for some more. I have lot's of pictures of various 150s, 152s & 172s with all the mods but my scanner is inop at the moment. What I would like to see is the belly skin removed and a before and after image of the gear relocation. I think therfe was a nice article of a straight tail 172 Texas taildragger conversion in a recent Sport Aviation. The owner did it himself, I think . Put a big engine in it, some STOL mods and had a poor man's 180. looked pretty cool and he did a real nice job on it. Bertie If you can tell me the issue of Sport Aviation this is in I would be very interested in obtaining it. Thanks, Ricky |
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Ricky wrote in
: On Jan 10, 7:27*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: John Smith wrote in news:jsmith-C04ACE.20235210012008 @news-server.columbus.rr.com: If the above photo is not enough let me know & I'll hunt for some more. I have lot's of pictures of various 150s, 152s & 172s with all the mods but my scanner is inop at the moment. What I would like to see is the belly skin removed and a before and after image of the gear relocation. I think therfe was a nice article of a straight tail 172 Texas taildragger conversion in a recent Sport Aviation. The owner did it himself, I think . Put a big engine in it, some STOL mods and had a poor man's 180. looked pretty cool and he did a real nice job on it. Bertie If you can tell me the issue of Sport Aviation this is in I would be very interested in obtaining it. Last couple of months. Dec or Nov, I think. I have this months (jan) next to me and it's not in there. I'll have a look. Bertie |
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Skycather's not TOO ugly, just needs tailwheel
On 2008-01-09, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
[back country camping] Nice. I think if I were to go for an airplane for that mission it would be a bearhawk or even just an old Pacer. I like rags. An Auster Autocrat upgraded to 160 hp works really well for that too :-) With no glider in tow, ours gets airborne using very, very little runway. If the Atlantic wasn't in the way I'd take ours to Idaho for a bit. -- From the sunny Isle of Man. Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid. |
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On Jan 11, 4:39 am, Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2008-01-09, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: [back country camping] Nice. I think if I were to go for an airplane for that mission it would be a bearhawk or even just an old Pacer. I like rags. An Auster Autocrat upgraded to 160 hp works really well for that too :-) With no glider in tow, ours gets airborne using very, very little runway. If the Atlantic wasn't in the way I'd take ours to Idaho for a bit. -- From the sunny Isle of Man. Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid. I once owned an Auster AOP VI. Fantastic short-field performance. I miss that airplane. Dan |
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I'm still looking for that 172 article! It wasn't the Nov issue anyway...
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On 2008-01-19, Dana M Hague wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:48:33 -0800 (PST), What composite construction. The Skycatcher is an aluminum airplane, except for the composite engine cowling. Indeed. Really, it's a warmed over C-150 (which is itself a warmed over C-140) with reduced gross weight to meet the LSA restrictions. I can't imagine spending over 100 big ones on it. Not to mention waiting till 2011, as the Cessna sales rep told me today... -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!) Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390 |
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