Tragity

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Good Lord.....

Hey, take a kid scuba diving for a day in our dive boat. Why check
anything out??

Take a kid skydiving for a day, free, no questions asked.

Those are unreasonable analogies, since the kid needs to be competently
trained to go scuba diving or skydiving. No professional training is needed
to be a passenger in an airplane.

Letting your kid get in a plane flown by your friend or neighbor or
colleague is admittedly more dangerous (per hour of activity) than letting
your kid get in a car driven by your friend or neighbor or colleague, but
not by an outrageous amount. There's no sound principle I'm aware of that
says that anything more dangerous than driving is unreasonably risky.

--Gary

EAA can't be held responsible for every single flight that might be
carried out by one of its members with any child on board.

A Young Eagles flight takes place when an official EAA form is filled
out prior to the flight. This form records the child's details and
makes sure that permission for the flight has been granted by a parent
or legal guardian. This is also the form that is sent to Oshkosh to be
entered in the Young Eagles database. If this form is completed, then
yes it's a Young Eagles flight, EAA takes responsibility for it, and -
provided the pilot has met requirements - the flight is covered under
the insurance program.



Ron Natalie wrote:
Paul Stuart wrote:
From what I recall the accident in Colorado some years back involved a
young person that had got involved with his local EAA Chapter, and was
being rewarded with a flight after helping out at a Young Eagles event
- but it was not technically a Young Eagles flight i.e. the flight
wouldn't have been recorded in the Young Eagles logbook had it ended
safely.

Why wouldn't it? The only requirement is the kid be be within the
right ages and the pilot be an EAA member. You can issue the
certificate and forward the info to the EAA for the logbook and
your YE pilot credits.

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Hey. While poking around their website some more, I came across their
"Airplane of the Month" photo. Man, you can't make this stuff up......

http://www.youngeagles.org/airplanem...ober&year=2005


Your point is?

"Paul Stuart" wrote in message
oups.com...
A Young Eagles flight takes place when an official EAA form is filled
out prior to the flight. This form records the child's details and
makes sure that permission for the flight has been granted by a parent
or legal guardian. This is also the form that is sent to Oshkosh to be
entered in the Young Eagles database. If this form is completed, then
yes it's a Young Eagles flight, EAA takes responsibility for it, and -
provided the pilot has met requirements - the flight is covered under
the insurance program.

The question, though, is whether the form is always mailed before the flight
starts (as is supposed to be done with Angel Flight liability waivers, for
example), or whether the form is often taken on board and not mailed until
afterward. If the latter, then YE's official safety record may be
misleading, since some fatal flights won't count as YE flights even though
they would've counted if they'd been successful.

--Gary

Skylune wrote:
Totally preventable tragedy, thats the saddest part.

The kids' parents should now file civil suit against the pilot's estate,
the airport that sponsored the event, the EAA, as well as the manufacturer
of the plane and possibly whatever firm did the maintenance.

Of course they probably won't, since any parent stupid enough to allow
their kid to climb into a plane of unknown reliability, with a pilot of
unknown skill and ability, will probably not think of this, unless an
aviation attorney read the story and contacts them.

Amazing: would parents would allow their kids to hop on the back of a
motorcycle with an unknown rider, get onto an ATV or snowmobile with a
stranger, etc.? Probably not. But the EAA's slick propoganda (like
making a false statement claiming there have been no other fatalities in
the YE program) fools some people.


Is this Skylune as in lunatic?

Matt

Skylune wrote:

More insanity. Does it ever end?

(One word snipped above to make it fit the context.)

Not as long as you are posting here.

Matt

Skylune wrote:

Therefore, the EAA press release is a complete fabrication, an outright,
bald-faced, self-serving lie. Great info.

(Boyer would be proud.)


What does Boyer have to do with the EAA?

Matt

Skylune wrote:

Well to answer the question you posed after the long car crash story, "No".
There are risks, and there are stupid risks. Putting a kid into an
unknown plane with a stranger goes down as stupid in my book.

Well, from your past posts, it does seem that you wrote the book on stupid.

Matt

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Paul Stuart" wrote in message
oups.com...
A Young Eagles flight takes place when an official EAA form is filled
out prior to the flight. This form records the child's details and
makes sure that permission for the flight has been granted by a parent
or legal guardian. This is also the form that is sent to Oshkosh to be
entered in the Young Eagles database. If this form is completed, then
yes it's a Young Eagles flight, EAA takes responsibility for it, and -
provided the pilot has met requirements - the flight is covered under
the insurance program.

The question, though, is whether the form is always mailed before the
flight
starts (as is supposed to be done with Angel Flight liability waivers, for
example), or whether the form is often taken on board and not mailed until
afterward. If the latter, then YE's official safety record may be
misleading, since some fatal flights won't count as YE flights even though
they would've counted if they'd been successful.

--Gary

The permission and release forms are seldom mailed before the flight takes
place. They are most commonly administered by a ground crew if it is an
organized event or by the pilot if it is not an organized event. If the
form is not processed the pilot is not covered by the EAA provided liability
insurance.

My point is illustrated in the photo accompanying the article below. I
find the posting of the Concorde, which no longer flies due mainly to the
highly publicized fiery crash outside Paris a few years back, as the
"plane of the month to be ironic. (irony = incongruity between what might
be expected and what actually occurs)

http://www.rense.com/general2/conc.htm