Repercussions for people outside New Orleans

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:fZIRe.321609$xm3.157996@attbi_s21...
Actually if you owned the gasoline or worked for the people who owned it,
you would sell it to those who were willing to pay the most for it. You
would do this because you would know that there is somebody somewhere on
the planet that would be willing to sell to the US buyers for a higher
price and the only one hurt by your action would be you or those you
represent. The reality is that the worldwide supply of gasoline is now
reduced from what it was last week and therefore gasoline is worth more.
The price will rise until demand is reduced to equal supply. It is an
inescapable fact.

No one argues that it is supply and demand at work. It always is.

My point is that our "supply" side has been artificially restricted by
onerous environmental laws. These laws are so complex and expensive to
interpret that no one has built a new refinery in the U.S. since their
inception.

Thus, we find ourselves in the pickle we're in. One hurricane, and we're
*all* dead, economically.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Your assumption is not correct. It is not enviornmental regulation that is
preventing new refineries from being built. The biggest reason that no
"new" refineries have been built is that it is cheaper to increase capacity
at an existing refinery than to build a new one.

Obviously it costs refiner's to clean their emissions but it cost society
more if they don't. The increase in real estate and steel prices are larger
impediments to adding refining capacity than enviornmenal regulation.

Mike
MU-2

HELLO!!! ARE YOU LISTENING JAY???

Where do you get this BS?

IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD NEW REFINERIES.

sorry for shouting.

Mike
MU-2


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:bgKRe.302703$_o.171971@attbi_s71...
Us Gasoline supply has been cut by a third. My point is let the people in
the US reduce their consumption by a third. Price stays down, no one else
gets f****d up. As has been said in the thread, this was a problem
waiting to happen, the politicians knew about it, the local authorities
new about it and business knew about it but they ignored it.

Right, but what you fail to realize is that this is a SELF-IMPOSED
disaster, by well-meaning Americans who thought that they were helping the
world by making it impossible for oil companies to build any new
refineries.

The hurricane was inevitable; the consequences were not.

I suspect, given what you're saying, that you probably agreed with their
environmental approach. You probably cheered as, one by one, more and
more restrictive U.S. laws were passed, making it harder and harder for
suppliers to refine crude oil into gasoline. Until now.

Now that their short-sightedness is hurting everyone, badly --
worldwide -- maybe you'll realize just how much harm environmental
extremists have done.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Alexander's Gas and Oil Connections, August 2004.

"... you'd think oil companies would be falling over each other to build
new refineries. Not so. There hasn't been a new refinery built in the
United States in 28 years and more than 200 smaller facilities have
closed.''

"Nobody seems to want to build a refinery in their back yard," David
O'Reilly, chairman of ChevronTexaco, told a US Chamber of Commerce
luncheon the other day, deploring what he said was a regulatory and
permitting morass and almost certain citizen opposition to any new
refinery project.

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/company/cnn43384.htm

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
HELLO!!! ARE YOU LISTENING JAY???

Where do you get this BS?

IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD NEW REFINERIES.

sorry for shouting.

Mike
MU-2


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:bgKRe.302703$_o.171971@attbi_s71...
Us Gasoline supply has been cut by a third. My point is let the
people in the US reduce their consumption by a third. Price stays
down, no one else gets f****d up. As has been said in the thread,
this was a problem waiting to happen, the politicians knew about it,
the local authorities new about it and business knew about it but
they ignored it.

Right, but what you fail to realize is that this is a SELF-IMPOSED
disaster, by well-meaning Americans who thought that they were
helping the world by making it impossible for oil companies to build
any new refineries.

The hurricane was inevitable; the consequences were not.

I suspect, given what you're saying, that you probably agreed with
their environmental approach. You probably cheered as, one by one,
more and more restrictive U.S. laws were passed, making it harder and
harder for suppliers to refine crude oil into gasoline. Until now.

Now that their short-sightedness is hurting everyone, badly --
worldwide -- maybe you'll realize just how much harm environmental
extremists have done.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

You know, I really like some of these off topic threads.
I actually learn somethings I didn't know.
Granted, it is Usenet.
However, the contributions by several of the regulars has to be given
credibility based on previous contributions.
Thanks guys/gals!

Yes, I am aware that there are those who's job it is to complain about any
cost imposed on them

From 2003 to the present gasoline consumption, and therefore production, has
tripled while no new refineries have been built and many have been closed.
Basically the refineries have been rebuilt on the same footprint and now
output vastly more product.

Mike
MU-2


"sfb" wrote in message news:MbMRe.28381$FL1.9166@trnddc09...
Alexander's Gas and Oil Connections, August 2004.

"... you'd think oil companies would be falling over each other to build
new refineries. Not so. There hasn't been a new refinery built in the
United States in 28 years and more than 200 smaller facilities have
closed.''

"Nobody seems to want to build a refinery in their back yard," David
O'Reilly, chairman of ChevronTexaco, told a US Chamber of Commerce
luncheon the other day, deploring what he said was a regulatory and
permitting morass and almost certain citizen opposition to any new
refinery project.

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/company/cnn43384.htm

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
HELLO!!! ARE YOU LISTENING JAY???

Where do you get this BS?

IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD NEW REFINERIES.

sorry for shouting.

Mike
MU-2


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:bgKRe.302703$_o.171971@attbi_s71...
Us Gasoline supply has been cut by a third. My point is let the people
in the US reduce their consumption by a third. Price stays down, no one
else gets f****d up. As has been said in the thread, this was a problem
waiting to happen, the politicians knew about it, the local authorities
new about it and business knew about it but they ignored it.

Right, but what you fail to realize is that this is a SELF-IMPOSED
disaster, by well-meaning Americans who thought that they were helping
the world by making it impossible for oil companies to build any new
refineries.

The hurricane was inevitable; the consequences were not.

I suspect, given what you're saying, that you probably agreed with their
environmental approach. You probably cheered as, one by one, more and
more restrictive U.S. laws were passed, making it harder and harder for
suppliers to refine crude oil into gasoline. Until now.

Now that their short-sightedness is hurting everyone, badly --
worldwide -- maybe you'll realize just how much harm environmental
extremists have done.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Mike Rapoport wrote:
If the SPR oil goes to refineries in the midwest (where the supply of crude
is unaffected) how will that really help? I agree that announcing the
availiiblity of SPR oil has some marginal calming effect on the markets in
the immediate term, but it is not going to affect the supply of gasoline in
any meaningful way.

Any thoughts as to how the SPR oil will be allocated?
Auction?

"john smith" wrote in message
My wife came home from work yesterday and told me that a very large supply
of gasoline the company she works for has been holding in reserve for
corporate operations has been confiscated by the federal government.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Could we have some details on this statement like who your wife works for?
If not this is the kind of fear mongering that will make things go from bad
to worse.

I will not divulge that information.
I haven't seen that the information has been made public as yet.

Jonathan Goodish wrote:
Delivery is a largely new problem spawned by the destruction of the
hurricane.

Wow! We destroyed a hurricane!!!
Now if we can just destroy all the others there will be no more disasters!!!

:-))

Chris wrote:

Personally I would shut them out and say if you were not buying from us
before go away, and leave the US to rot this time but money always wins
out.

Walking a bit more might even sort the fat *******s out too.

Wow, to think of the billions we spent in WWI&II and the lives loss to
save your useless tits out east...

Jonathan Goodish wrote:

On another note, anyone who lives near the ocean in a city that's 18
feet below sea level is living on borrowed time until the next disaster.
If businesses were refused insurance and government aid for disasters
such as this, and the poor were forced to work for a living, no one (or
very few) would live in areas like New Orleans because the financial
risk would be too great. Since the government swoops in to cover much
of the financial loss, there's less at risk for the individual, and
lives are needlessly lost.

The people still struggling to make repairs from hurricanes from the
past 3 years, ain't living off of a gov'nment teet. And lots of them are
50 miles or more from any coast... It took me over 5 months to have my
roof and fence replaced and that was with insurance and my own money.
Lots of people can't afford that luxury...