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  #61  
Old September 17th 10, 01:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sep 17, 1:14*am, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 16, 10:45*pm, Mark wrote:


Irrelevant. *Many of the models I'm looking at are
all of the following...LSA and ELSA and yes even SLSA all
in the same final product. The distinction is the process
by which it came to completion.


Clarification: the above statement is ambiguous.


Let's take the Arion Lightning. They received certification
now to produce an SLSA lightning. *That is complete off
the showroom floor. (actually, you preorder)


Or, you can use builder-assist, and produce the same
product. Now you've got an ELSA lightning.


But they're *both* an Arion Lightning LSA.


Or...you can put on wheel pants, omitt the winglets,
add high performance prop, and now you've got an
Arion lightning airplane, but not LSA.


This scenerio is underway at many LSA plants
across the world today.


And it is still apples and oranges to the discussion.

--
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Old September 17th 10, 01:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sep 17, 1:18*am, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 16, 10:56*pm, wrote:


No, you can never do any modifications to any LSA; it always has to conform
to the manufacturers, kit or pre-built, specifications.


--
Jim Pennino


Wrong!


That answer is patently wrong and I've given you
the link here to prove it.


The manufacturer may send out paperwork as to
allowable mods, and given the certification, you can
do it yourself.


OK, I see the problem here.

You haven't a clue what the word "modification" means in terms of airplanes.

--
Jim Pennino


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http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=htt...llc.com/51perc....

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Old September 17th 10, 01:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sep 17, 1:21*am, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 16, 10:56*pm, wrote:


Question:
"What about repairing and modifying my LSA? That’s legal just as with
experimental aircraft, isn’t it?"


Answer:
"Yes and no, it depends on the type of LSA. If you build your own
experimental LSA (E-LSA), then you are the de facto A&P and can do
repairs and mods."


http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/pilo...alk/light-spor....


Nope, not for a LSA.
--
Jim Pennino


An LSA? *Which type. ELSA? *SLSA? True for one,
not for the other, but no is the wrong answer.


It doesn't matter what kind of LSA it is, modifications are not allowed
to be done to LSA's.

I'm sorry Jim. *Your command of the English Language,


The problem is the word "modification" has a particular legal meaning when
it comes to airplanes and you don't understand that.

The English dictionary definition of "modification" is not the FAA legal
definition.

--
Jim Pennino


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http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=htt...llc.com/51perc....

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Old September 17th 10, 01:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Kevin Gould, CEO of Piper, explains they sell
Czech sportcruisers with Piper decals.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4nrIm8XqkU


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Old September 17th 10, 01:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Kevin Gould, CEO of Piper, explains they sell
Czech sportcruisers with Piper decals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4nrIm8XqkU


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Old September 17th 10, 01:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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http://www.aircraftersllc.com/51percent.htm
http://www.aircraftersllc.com/51percent.htm
http://www.aircraftersllc.com/51percent.htm
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Old September 17th 10, 01:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sep 17, 8:24*am, Mark wrote:
http://www.aircraftersllc.com/51perc.../51percent.htm


http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/pilo...&print=1&page=
http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/pilo...&print=1&page=
http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/pilo...&print=1&page=
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Old September 17th 10, 01:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sep 17, 8:24*am, Mark wrote:
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"What if you bought the project from a previous owner who never
finished it?
It does not matter how many previous owners a project may have had -
as long as each owner intended to build the aircraft for their own
education or recreation - if you can document or show documentation of
the work that each did, it is as if YOU did the work!"



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Old September 17th 10, 01:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sep 17, 8:27*am, Mark wrote:

http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/pilo...alk/light-spor...


10) What about repairing and modifying my LSA? That’s legal just as
with experimental aircraft, isn’t it?

Yes and no, it depends on the type of LSA. If you build your own
experimental LSA (E-LSA), then you are the de facto A&P and can do
repairs and mods.
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Old September 17th 10, 01:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sep 17, 8:35*am, Mark wrote:
On Sep 17, 8:27*am, Mark wrote:

http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/pilo...alk/light-spor.......


10) What about repairing and modifying my LSA? That’s legal just as
with experimental aircraft, isn’t it?

Yes and no, it depends on the type of LSA. If you build your own
experimental LSA (E-LSA), then you are the de facto A&P and can do
repairs and mods.


The Faa definition of "mods" is defined in this case as those which
the
original manufacturer offers, or any other subsequent modifications
which are allowable by the Faa.

Other modifications are restricted to non faa jurisdictions.

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