DUI's and flying?

"mike regish" writes:

And you noticed the vast majority of patrons in those bars doing the same
thing, right?

The personal examples are to refute the claim that it's *impossible*
to spend the night in the bar without getting drunk. I think it's
been pretty thoroughly refuted at this point.

Now you're changing the question -- is it common? No, not terribly.
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If you read back some-you *can* do that can't you-you'll see I already
confessed that "can't" wasn't the right word.

Now I want you to tell me, honestly mind you, that you believe that the
majority of people who spend several hours in a bar drink 3 drinks or less.

mike regish

"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message
...
"mike regish" writes:

And you noticed the vast majority of patrons in those bars doing the
same
thing, right?

The personal examples are to refute the claim that it's *impossible*
to spend the night in the bar without getting drunk. I think it's
been pretty thoroughly refuted at this point.

Now you're changing the question -- is it common? No, not terribly.
--
David Dyer-Bennet, , www.dd-b.net/dd-b/
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I'm restating the question to make it understandable to those who feel the
need to nitpick rather than give a straight answer to a reasonably
straightforward question.

mike regish

"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message
...
"mike regish" writes:

And you noticed the vast majority of patrons in those bars doing the
same
thing, right?

The personal examples are to refute the claim that it's *impossible*
to spend the night in the bar without getting drunk. I think it's
been pretty thoroughly refuted at this point.

Now you're changing the question -- is it common? No, not terribly.
--
David Dyer-Bennet, , www.dd-b.net/dd-b/
RKBA: noguns-nomoney.com www.dd-b.net/carry/
Photos: dd-b.lighthunters.net Snapshots:
www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/
Dragaera/Steven Brust: dragaera.info/

"mike regish" wrote in message
news:d6tyb.373432$Fm2.374121@attbi_s04...
Now I want you to tell me, honestly mind you, that you believe that the
majority of people who spend several hours in a bar drink 3 drinks or
less.

What's that got to do with anything? The prevalence of drunk drivers
doesn't make it any less abhorrent.

Your original statement was completely false, and your modified version is
irrelevant. It's true that getting a DUI in no way implies one is an
alcoholic, but it's completely false that there's any good excuse for
getting a DUI.

Pete

My original point was that if the police really wanted to do something about
DUI, they'd wait outside the bars. Any car that has been sitting there for
more than a couple of hours likely has a drunk driver aboard. I suppose
that's wrong too, because there are exceptions, right?

There's no good excuse for getting a DUI, but getting one, or even 2 doesn't
make an alcoholic. I believe that the vast majority of alcoholics never get
DUI's. Of people who get DUI's, probably a majority are alcoholics, but not
by much of a majority I bet. They might even be the minority since a
hardcore alcoholic can function quite normally with a pretty high BAC just
due to the developed tolerance. Light drinkers who go out infrequently are
more likely to be obviously impaired.

I know it;s a benchmark that the FAA uses, and understandably so, but
without more information it's not a real ironclad assumption. People here
who say to hang up any idea of a flying career based on 2 DUI's of a 23 year
old aren't justified. Even the FAA will eventually recognize that people can
change and that maybe there are such things as bad luck, being in the wrong
place at the wrong time or having a cop with a hardon for you.

mike regish

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
"mike regish" wrote in message
news:d6tyb.373432$Fm2.374121@attbi_s04...
Now I want you to tell me, honestly mind you, that you believe that the
majority of people who spend several hours in a bar drink 3 drinks or
less.

What's that got to do with anything? The prevalence of drunk drivers
doesn't make it any less abhorrent.

Your original statement was completely false, and your modified version is
irrelevant. It's true that getting a DUI in no way implies one is an
alcoholic, but it's completely false that there's any good excuse for
getting a DUI.

Pete

The police are not to blame, and were simply doing their job. Any comment
that suggests otherwise, however subtly, just isn't going to be productive
in a job interview situation. Since such comments would be untrue anyway,
you should just accept that and stop worrying about whether your arrest was
fair.

Pete

I completely agree with you about owning up and I take full responsisbility.
The only reason I mentioned the circumstance was to illustrate the fact that I
wasn't drinking and driving all the time or wrecklessly like one might assume
if I was in fact an alcoholic.

[top-posting fixed]

"mike regish" writes:

"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message
...

"mike regish" writes:

And you noticed the vast majority of patrons in those bars doing
the same thing, right?

The personal examples are to refute the claim that it's *impossible*
to spend the night in the bar without getting drunk. I think it's
been pretty thoroughly refuted at this point.

Now you're changing the question -- is it common? No, not terribly.

If you read back some-you *can* do that can't you-you'll see I already
confessed that "can't" wasn't the right word.

Now I want you to tell me, honestly mind you, that you believe that the
majority of people who spend several hours in a bar drink 3 drinks or less.

Um, already did essentially that, in the message you're responding
to. See that quote up there?
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Another thing to point out is that after you have one dui there is absolutely
NO tolerance as far as blood alcohol level goes. You can't have ANY alcohol in
your blood not .001 or its another dui.

This is another reason someone with multiple duis may not be an alcoholic. A
lot of second dui arrests occur the next morning from the residual alcohol left
in the blood stream. Again, I'm not supporting drinking and driving just
showing that 1+1 doesn't always equal 2 in this case, and there are MANY
multiple dui offenders who aren't sunstance abusers.

What gets me is how so many people *don't* get busted since bars with full
parking lots make such obviously rich "fishing grounds."

because legally, police aren't supposed to do this. It is frowned upon, but
more importantly, it presents more of a legal problem for prosecution when it
goes to court and has a likely chance of being thrown out.

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:16:53 GMT, "mike regish"
wrote:

You don't have to do a damned thing. People who go to bars to drink tea
belong in teahouses. Don't know where you're from, but if you asked for tea
in an American bar, you'd probably get beat up.

Don't know where _you're_ from, but every bar in America I've ever
been to has been remarkably accommodating to guys like me who never
order alcohol.

Rob