The price of gas

On Tue, 18 May 2004 at 07:43:49 in message
, C J Campbell
wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:vxoqc.19775$gr.1626453@attbi_s52...
It was serious stuff, folks.

It was a fascinating concept, but they simply couldn't work around the
problem of inevitable accidents.

"Nuclear Plane crashes -- Thousands Perish!" simply was unacceptable
then --
and now.

Except that thousands don't perish when other nuclear powered things crash,
even nuclear weapons.

I remember someone talking about nuclear powered aircraft many years
ago. He said that it would solve one aviation problem; about the
placement of the cg. Wherever the reactor was placed, with its
shielding, that's where the cg would be. ;-)
--
David CL Francis

Hey George:

Is New Jersey still full service stations only? I've heard that
self-service stations were recently allowed.


"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Flyin'8 wrote:


In 2004 dollars, the high was $2.50 a gallon. We are very unlikely to
reach that level.

Don't know where you are living, but where I am at the price is over
$2.50 / gal.

Wow! Regular mogas is a bit over $1.70/gal here in Joisey.

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

James Blakely wrote:

Is New Jersey still full service stations only?

As far as I know.

I've heard that
self-service stations were recently allowed.

I haven't heard anything to that effect or seen one around here.

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

The good(???) news is that a lot of what we are paying for aviation fuels is
markup at the FBO level. The standard markup seems to be $1/gallon, so if
gas is $3.00 then the acutal wholsale price is less than $2 and probably
about $1.50 before delivery. Of the $1.50, perhaps $1.00 is the price of
crude, so a doubling of crude prices should only increase the price of avgas
by $1.00.

Mike
MU-2

"John Fitzpatrick" wrote in message
.. .
Wonder what the price of avgas is going to have on the GA community.
The price of 100 is running anywhere from $2.75 to $3.50 here in upstate
NY.

John
"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
. net...
Here is another :



http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...rohotgraph.htm

Your chart is in constant 2000 dollars.

Mike
MU-2

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

"No Such User" wrote in message
...
In article , C J Campbell wrote:
As one news report put it, oil is the most expensive it has been
since
the
1970's. Ummm, anyone remember what the price of gas was in the
1970's
when
oil was pushing $60/barrel? It was less than a dollar a gallon....

In the 70's oil was in the $20-$30 range.

http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1947.gif

So the price of oil nearly did hit $60/barrel, but it was in the early
'80s.
Still, even in 1983 the price of gasoline never came near $2/gallon.

My point is that the price of oil seems to have little relationship to
the
price of gasoline, despite what the media continually report. But
then,
what
else would you expect from the news media? I mean, these are the
idiots
who
could not get a degree in anything more rigorous than
'communications.'
It
is astounding, really, that they even know that gasoline has something
to
do
with oil. They probably learned most of what they know from Hollywood.

in article , Dean Wilkinson at
wrote on 5/17/04 5:26 PM:


Does anyone here have any web references that counter that rubbish?

Ben

Yes, haven't you heard about the theories on oil plumes and oil field
replenishment from deeper sources? Read on:

Or, for quite another viewpoint, we have the following:

http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/20/mark...ex.htm?cnn=yes

I make no claims as to the accuracy of anything contained in the above
article. But it's an interesting counterpoint to the article claiming that
oil reserves are actually increasing. Is this just more of the usual
alarmism?

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

Wow! Regular mogas is a bit over $1.70/gal here in Joisey.

Update. Today I passed a station in central NJ with $1.98/gal regular. It's going up.

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

No one really knows. On one side, claims of doom have been around for
decades, on the other side, whatever exists cannot last forever. I have no
idea either.

What I do know is that the heavy use of oil has had adverse environmental
effects and has created dangerous instability in the Middle East. I believe
that it would be in this country's best interests to somehow decrease
reliance on foreign oil, and preferrably, reduce oil usage overall. I do
not know the best way to accomplish those goals.

If these problems had easy solutions they would have been solved already.


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , Dean Wilkinson
at
wrote on 5/17/04 5:26 PM:


Does anyone here have any web references that counter that rubbish?

Ben

Yes, haven't you heard about the theories on oil plumes and oil field
replenishment from deeper sources? Read on:

Or, for quite another viewpoint, we have the following:

http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/20/mark...ex.htm?cnn=yes

I make no claims as to the accuracy of anything contained in the above
article. But it's an interesting counterpoint to the article claiming that
oil reserves are actually increasing. Is this just more of the usual
alarmism?

When gas approaches $2/gal in Jersey, you know prices have gone up. Still a
bargain though.


"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

Wow! Regular mogas is a bit over $1.70/gal here in Joisey.

Update. Today I passed a station in central NJ with $1.98/gal regular.
It's going up.

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

On Fri, 21 May 2004 01:48:23 GMT, Philip Sondericker
wrote:

I make no claims as to the accuracy of anything contained in the above
article. But it's an interesting counterpoint to the article claiming that
oil reserves are actually increasing. Is this just more of the usual
alarmism?

The Wall Street Journal had an article the other day dealing with
Hubbert's Peak.

Hubbert predicted that oil production in any field or country would
peak (and then decline) at a fairly predictable time, and history has
borne him out. In the U.S. as I recall it was 1972 (I was surprised it
was so late). In the North Sea it was 2000. Saudi according to the
article is fairly close to peaking, and nothing has been discovered in
the past half-century that could replace Saudi oil.

The article made no mention of fields regenerating, though obviously
it is possible in a given case. (Shucks, there could have been an
undiscovered field/lode/pool near the Mexican one mentioned, which
began to "leak" into the original site.)

As a rule, the WSJ takes a *very* skeptical view of doomsday
scenarios.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org

On Fri, 21 May 2004 03:08:58 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

It's going up.

Yes. The yellow light came on in my Accord (I didn't even know it had
a yellow light!) so I filled up downtown at $2.039 because I reckoned
I didn't have fuel enough to carry me to BJ's Wholesale Club, where
it's still $1.969. BJ's is usually a nickel cheaper than the rest of
the world. Most of the brand-name stations in Portsmouth on the strip
sell it for $2.019.

And I see that my scenario of the White House liberating the Strategic
Oil Supply has been shot down by the prezdint.

That was the first time I ever put $25 into the tank. (Come to think
of it, I haven't seen that Hummer on Route 108 lately, heh heh.)

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org