This is killing me!!!

"Rosspilot" wrote in message
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Been to Montauk plenty of times . . . there is nothing at the airport but
a pay
phone to call for a cab. The "beach" to which you refer is the Sound . .
. if
you want to get to ANYTHING (restaurant or REAL beach) it is a $15 cab
ride
there and $15 ride back. It is a resort area, so the landing/parking fee
is
reasonable (and seasonal) and I don't mind paying it . . . but don't
mislead
the folks into thinking that's all they have to pay.


If there's nothing at the airport but a pay phone how is the landing/parking
fee collected?

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Allen" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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The analogy is sound...You would pay for the parking spot and tip
for
the service.


What service? Are we talking about valet aircraft parking? Telling
me
where to park my airplane is not providing me with any service. It's
a
bad
analogy.


Bringing me the food I ordered is not a service, that is what they are
paid
for.


If they just tossed it on yur table I suspect you'd scream bloddy murder.
:~)


No, I don't scream, and even if I did I am not even sure what bloddy murder
is

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Allen" wrote in message
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Bringing me the food I ordered is not a service, that is what they are
paid
for.


What are they paid by the restaurant to bring your food to you?


What are the lineboys paid to come out in the rain, snow, heat/cold and show
you where to park and help tiedown?

"Allen" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Allen" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

wrote in message
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The analogy is sound...You would pay for the parking spot and tip
for
the service.


What service? Are we talking about valet aircraft parking? Telling
me
where to park my airplane is not providing me with any service.
It's
a
bad
analogy.


Bringing me the food I ordered is not a service, that is what they are
paid
for.


If they just tossed it on yur table I suspect you'd scream bloddy
murder.
:~)


No, I don't scream, and even if I did I am not even sure what bloddy
murder
is

Screaming in a British accent (with your glasses off).

"mindenpilot" wrote in message
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Sorry for the rant.
I just flew into Reno tonight.
As it turns out, Sierra Air Center, the only GA facility on the ramp that
doesn't charge a ramp fee, now charges a $15 parking fee.
Yup, as of Jan 1 there's no more free landing at Reno.
What makes it worse is they said, "There's no fee if you get 15 gallons of
fuel".
That sounded OK to me. I was almost full anyway.
18 gallons of fuel at $3.73 a gallon!
It would have been cheaper if I filled up in Minden and paid the $15
parking fee.
It's only $2.80/gal in Minden!
I felt violated!

Man, I'm bummed.
I liked to fly into Reno, get some lunch/dinner, practice in class C, etc.
No more.

Adam
N7966L
Beech Super III


To be fair Reno International isn't Minden and if they didn't charge a ramp
fee they would not get any revenue from transient GA. They are paying to
lease that ramp space. Compare it to Logan, SFO or O'Hare and you will feel
better. I just paid over $100 for landing, two nights parking and handling
at KSUN this morning.

Mike
MU-2

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
news
To be fair Reno International isn't Minden and if they didn't charge a
ramp fee they would not get any revenue from transient GA. They are
paying to lease that ramp space. Compare it to Logan, SFO or O'Hare and
you will feel better. I just paid over $100 for landing, two nights
parking and handling at KSUN this morning.

Mike
MU-2


Ouch!
OK, I'll quit whining!

BTW, my VFR buddy and I shot the ILS into RNO today (practice).
That was pretty cool! I was surprised at how accurate my radios were.
It was fun testing my skills.
I think I might just start that instrument training.

Adam
N7966L
Beech Super III

What would your response be if I came to your hotel, stayed for 90
minutes, and wanted a prorated bill rate cause I didnt stay until the next
morning's checkout (lets say say I just wanted to catch my soap opera or
something outrageous.. in your Memphis Belle Suite.

Not a great analogy. The purpose of an airport is to serve transient
aircraft (and, thus, travelers). These aircraft are on the airport
anywhere from 10 minutes, to permanently. The purpose of an FBO is serve
those pilots who fly those aircraft, by selling them fuel, maintenance,
upgrades, etc.

The purpose of a reputable hotel is to serve overnight guests -- period.
The purpose of a luxury suites hotel like ours is to provide the guest with
a unique, memorable experience. Charging rent for less than a full night
falls into the realm of a fleabag, sleazy motel. (Although I suppose the
experience might still be memorable! :-)

The only income we have is from guests staying overnight. The same cannot
be said for FBOs, which have multiple revenue streams.

Just because the spam-can's aren't the bread and butter of a corporate
oriented FBO doesn't mean that the spam can's don't deserve to be charged
for use of the facilities.. Even parking can get pretty pricey depending
on where you are (for CARS...).. and not all parking lots pro-rate EITHER,
depending on demand.

If FBOs didn't make money on fuel sales, repairs, and charters, you'd have a
point. However, most FBOs understand that Spam Can pilots are tomorrow's
CFIs and charter pilots. They are also the guys who will be paying for the
shop, by having their A&Ps do major and minor maintenance. Embracing them
and making them feel welcome at their facility is an intrinsic part of every
successful FBO's business plan -- UNLESS they are so successful with
charters and fuel sales that they feel they can afford to drive the little
guys away.

It sure sounds like this is what is happening in Reno, and charging $15 to
park for 90 minutes will quickly and efficiently drive all the Spam Can
drivers away.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Allen" wrote in message
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Bringing me the food I ordered is not a service, that is what they are
paid for.


What are they paid by the restaurant to bring your food to you?


What are the lineboys paid to come out in the rain, snow, heat/cold and
show
you where to park and help tiedown?


Nine bucks an hour. I answered your question, can you answer mine?

You would tip for parking if they were going to park you promptly (TIP:
To Insure Promptness). You would give a gratuity if you were especially
pleased with the service.

With that having been said, too many use TIP incorrectly, so that when
you DO TIP, the wait staff has no idea what it really means (many have
expected that to be their gratuity).

Ok, on to the real question. No, you do not TIP the line person as they
are not being paid the lower minimum wage that restaurants are allowed
to pay. The airport personnel are involved in interestate commerce and
are subject to the Federal Min Wage (or state if it is higher).

And since I'm not a lawyer, do not pretend to be one on the Internet,
and do not stay at a Holiday Inn Express, do not take anything I post
here as legal advice. Doing so makes this posting null and void.

Later,
Steve.T
PP ASEL/Instrument

ps. I'm also a biz owner and operate/consult to another start-up
company.

"steve.t" wrote in message
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You would tip for parking if they were going to park you promptly (TIP:
To Insure Promptness). You would give a gratuity if you were especially
pleased with the service.

With that having been said, too many use TIP incorrectly, so that when
you DO TIP, the wait staff has no idea what it really means (many have
expected that to be their gratuity).

Ok, on to the real question. No, you do not TIP the line person as they
are not being paid the lower minimum wage that restaurants are allowed
to pay. The airport personnel are involved in interestate commerce and
are subject to the Federal Min Wage (or state if it is higher).

You (at least I) tip because you're (I'm) pleased with service "above and
beyond". Then, I'm more like Rodney Dangerfield's character in Caddyshack.

And there are more than a few restaurants I've tipped 25 cents to subtlety
state the service I got sucked.


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO