Mountain flying knowledge required?

Blanche wrote:
Toño wrote:

Blanche wrote:


My response addressed your comment about "flying in the mountains".
And yes, if you're going to fly "in the mountains" in a single (unless,
of course, that single engine is attached to an F16) you really should
have some knowledge of mountain survival.

And here we are in agreement that *if* you are indeed *in* the
mountains, then some training would be well advised. However, if you are
10,000ft above the nearest peak with a good engine (or in a glider..;-)
) then of what possible use could mountain flying knowledge be?


How does a knowledge of mountain flying help you to land with and engine
out? And how would that differ from any other no-engine landing?


OK, you're at 16K over the I-70 in Colorado west of Denver. Let's
say somewhere between Georgetown and Silverton. What are you going
to do? (And following I-70 between Denver and Glenwood Springs is
the absolute worst action you can take). If you've only read Sparky's
book it's not going to help much.

The question of the OP had to do with being over the mountains, not in
them. He specifically stated a "turbo-normalized Bonanza with on-board
O2" ...."at altitudes in the mid-to-upper teens". He wondered if
*mountain flying training* would be of assistance to him.

However, I wondered: Where is the mountain flying? My contention was
that he did not need training specific to mountain flying because he was
not going to be in the mountains.

Admitedly, in a "what-if" scenario, he might possibly end up in a glide
toward some valley in the mountains. He might possibly be able to pick a
better landing site ( if indeed he has an option ) if had been "mountain
flying trained". But this was such a strecth and departure from all
that I know of genuine bush-pilot, down in the peaks mountain flying
necessities that I felt he might be wasting his time (on this particular
flight) in seeking that *specific* type of education.


Please remember, I'm the one who said reading Sparky's book and
nothing else is not a good idea. Flying in the mountains...hm...
Half the time I'm in the air, I'm very close to mountains. Personally,
I prefer NOT to be "in the mountains". Above, between, sure.


Noted. I overlooked that. But I lean toward loving being in the
mountains. Sure there are risks but, ahhhhh, the rewards are great!!

As far as *where* you land...you land wherever you can; as in
non-mountainous terrain.


Again I respond -- if all you've ever done is read the book you're
not prepared.

However off the OP's topic it is, I would enjoy hearing responses on:
How do you prepare to land Bonanza in the mountains? ( I ask that
sincerely wishing to know and not just to be rhetorical.)


I don't own a "whiz wheel". Well, I do. I just don't know where it
is these days.

Ha! (That made me laugh!)

I love these type discussions--the one's where people are actually civil
to each other and seek sincerely to understand more. It really makes
the experience here so very valuable.

Antonio

On 26 Apr 2005 00:57:02 GMT, Blanche wrote:



Long tiome. How the heck are you?

Mark Kolber
APA/Denver, Colorado
www.midlifeflight.com
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Jer in the Denver area posts here and teaches mountain flying.
Why not stop and visit for a while.

Peter R. wrote:
Disregarding the concept of density altitude as I am already familiar with
its affect on aircraft performance, would it still be advisable for me to
seek out some mountain flying instruction? My intention for this flight
is not to get too near the higher peaks of the Rockies, with the exception
of overflying the southern range in New Mexico.

john smith wrote:
Jer in the Denver area posts here and teaches mountain flying.
Why not stop and visit for a while.

Peter R. wrote:
Disregarding the concept of density altitude as I am already familiar with
its affect on aircraft performance, would it still be advisable for me to
seek out some mountain flying instruction? My intention for this flight
is not to get too near the higher peaks of the Rockies, with the exception
of overflying the southern range in New Mexico.

Hello! I've returned from Sun-N-Fun... I'm tanned, rested and ready to fly!
Mountain flying and FUN available... 50 miles north of Denver at 3V5...
then you can save time/money by flying in the mountains instead
of around! Give me a call/email!

Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocation!" Eberhard

--
Jer/ (Slash) Eberhard, Mountain Flying Aviation, LTD, Ft Collins, CO
CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jer'at'frii.com WEB http://users.frii.com/jer/
C-206 N9513G, CFII Airplane&Glider, FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor
CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot, BM218 HAM N0FZD, 227 Young Eagles!

wrote:

Hello! I've returned from Sun-N-Fun... I'm tanned, rested and ready to fly!
Mountain flying and FUN available... 50 miles north of Denver at 3V5...
then you can save time/money by flying in the mountains instead
of around! Give me a call/email!

How long is your mountain flying class? I expect to only be in the area
for a few days.

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Peter


















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Peter R. wrote:
wrote:

Hello! I've returned from Sun-N-Fun... I'm tanned, rested and ready to fly!
Mountain flying and FUN available... 50 miles north of Denver at 3V5...
then you can save time/money by flying in the mountains instead
of around! Give me a call/email!

How long is your mountain flying class? I expect to only be in the area
for a few days.

I can do a one-day one-on-one, with 7 hours of mountain flying, ridge
crossing, mountain wave surfing, lift and sink identification and
FUN... in one day. :-) It does not make one a "mountain pilot", but
will give you a good feel about how to navigate, routes to take, which
side of the canyon to fly on and how to select altitudes and emergency
landing sites.


Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocation!" Eberhard

--
Jer/ (Slash) Eberhard, Mountain Flying Aviation, LTD, Ft Collins, CO
CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jer'at'frii.com WEB http://users.frii.com/jer/
C-206 N9513G, CFII Airplane&Glider, FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor
CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot, BM218 HAM N0FZD, 227 Young Eagles!

wrote:

I can do a one-day one-on-one, with 7 hours of mountain flying, ridge
crossing, mountain wave surfing, lift and sink identification and
FUN... in one day. :-) It does not make one a "mountain pilot", but
will give you a good feel about how to navigate, routes to take, which
side of the canyon to fly on and how to select altitudes and emergency
landing sites.

Wow, this sounds very valuable and certainly would be much more knowledge
than I currently have about the subject. I will definitely look at my
schedule for my time in Denver to see if I can fit it in. Thanks.

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Peter













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Peter R. wrote:

In late May I am planning to fly across the US, from NY to southern
California, with a return stop in Denver, CO. This will be done in a
single-engine, turbo-normalized Bonanza with on-board O2, and this is
the first time I have done this. My plan is to fly the majority of it
under IFR flight rules and at altitudes in the mid-to-upper teens (westerly
wind-depending).

When planning my flight from Palm Springs, CA, to Denver, I have decided to
avoid the high peaks in which a direct flight would result and instead
planned a flight east to Albuquerque, NM, then northeast/north to Denver
across the flat lands of Colorado, east of the mountains.

Disregarding the concept of density altitude as I am already familiar with
its affect on aircraft performance, would it still be advisable for me to
seek out some mountain flying instruction?

It never hurts to learn something new but what you are doing is not
mountain flying. Don't worry about it.


My intention for this flight
is not to get too near the higher peaks of the Rockies, with the exception
of overflying the southern range in New Mexico.


You're missing all the fun of the mountains.

Newps wrote:

You're missing all the fun of the mountains.

This is more of a "proof of concept" trip. When I have more time, I plan
on sight-seeing my way across the US with family in tow.

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Peter


















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