14 yr old pilot

As society got more complicated, it has become easier for mis-guided
teenagers to kill themselves or others

It also becomes easier for them to get caught.

The extrapolation of either trend is disturbing.

Jose
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On 6/17/05 12:17 PM, in article ,
"Howard" spewed:

"Steve Foley" wrote in news:cgyse.330586
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I thought only usenet posters didn't know the difference between lose and
loose.

I guess The Associated Press doesn't either.

Newspaper editors have long since stopped doing any actual editing. You
really would be surprised at the crap that gets by them. "I swear, I am
not making this up", but in a local paper recently, a subheadline that was
obviously supposed to just be a temporary placeholder actually got through.
Then again, I suppose they COULD have intended the subheadline to be
"Subheadline goes here, once you know what this is about, this most boring
of news stories". Unprofessional though.

**** happens, then you change the procedure. In the Home Depot ad
department, we would put $00.00 as place holders in the ads before the last
minute prices were determined. Care to guess what happened and how much ****
hit the fan?
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Robert Morien wrote:

But then again I'd bet the universe of 14 year olds that have driven a
tractor is pretty small.

There will be quite a few in any farming community.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

Seems pretty danged obvious, his intent was to steal a car and an airplane.
And discipline may have caused you to spite your parents but I believe you
just may be in a younger generation than mine. You wouldn't have done it to
my parents!
This young fellow will not learn a blasted thing if he is not held
accountable for his actions. Last time I looked airplane theft and car teft
are felonies. Yep it sux for this boy, but without accountability he will
get the attitude "Oh well I can do anything I want because nothing is going
to happen." And you bet ya, his folks should have to pay back every single
dime to repair what he tore up. Maybe that would teach them a lesson and
hold them accountable for their lack of control over a 14 year old.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech


"Icebound" wrote in message
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"W P Dixon" wrote in message
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I disagree Jonathan,
A responsible parent does not need to hide things from teenagers. A
parent teaching discipline, respect, and responsibility would solve alot
more problems. If he were mine he would not have to worry much about
riding in cars or planes for a spell..because the docs would be removing
my foot out of his butt !
But I am glad the young renegade did not kill himself, and more so did
not kill anyone else! But we all know how "today's " world goes, he will
probably be put in the time out chair for a few hours and then the
parents will wonder why he is a convicted felon in a few years.

There is lots of evidence that creating a felon out of a 14-year-old does
neither the boy nor society any good, but that's another arguement.

And I do agree the parents probably did not have a clue as to what
this kid did or does. But remember the good old days when parents could
be parents? When I was a kid if you went to a store with your folks and
acted up , you got your backside tore up right there in front of God and
everybody else.

Unfortunately, the net effect was for you to then try to spite them all
the more, the next chance you got.

Try to do that now and they send your kids to foster care and you to
prison. So maybe the whole blame just isn't on a parents lack of
parenting skills, but a combination of a lack of those skills and
interference by the government.

Now I am in agreement that parental discipline is being seriously eroded
by well-meaning anti-abuse laws, but there is something of a difference
between a "lack-of-discipline" , and "dangerous curiousity". The most
well-behaved child in the world, with all the right values, can still have
a dangerous curiousity that he just can't resist testing.


Myself I feel a 14 year old is old enough to take the blame for his
own actions..I blame this young fellow more than anything else. He is not
two, we should not have to hide the dish cleaners from him anymore, nor
should we have to hide our possessions...he should know right from wrong
at this point. If he doesn't he sure has a hard row to hoe.



At this point we cannot judge whether this fellow is truly a felon, or
simply a kid who could not resist a mis-guided curiosity. I suggest that
half the posters to this NG have participated in some dangerous activity
in their teens, lived through it, and became reasonably model citizens.
Most didn't get caught... many got lucky that they didn't kill someone...

As society got more complicated, it has become easier for mis-guided
teenagers to kill themselves or others, so extra education and caution is
necessary, sure. But a 14-year-old who did a stupid and dangerous thing
should not necessarily be labelled a felon for life.

Civil restitution is something else, but the *criminal* prosecution of a
14-year-old should be guided by his intent, rather than by a knee-jerk
because of the extent of damage caused.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Peter R." wrote:

the better question is if the security people are ever going
to grasp how little danger GA poses.

True, but the issue is not what is reality, but what the public
perceives.
If the general, non-flying public perceives GA to be a danger
(incorrectly
reinforced by silly comments made by unthinking FBO owners), they will
pressure their congressmen/woman to push for even more restrictions over
GA.

There are at least two issues. We (GA) cannot survive if we allow the
security
folks to misrepresent the dangers of GA. But we also must address the
gross
ignorance of the non-flying public. ****ing away resources to address
imaginary
security concerns drains resources from addressing actual security
problems.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

Just a quick comment from Oz that we are going thru exactly the same crud.
As well as a photo licence that requires a three way security check we now
are going to require an ASIC card to get onto many airports. Airports have
to implement security fences etc.
All aircraft have to be visibly locked. This stuff is all window dressing.
But, it keeps the mug voting public from looking at the deficit balance of
trade and jobs going offshore, so the Government is spending figures like
AUD$400M to beef up security - results best summarised in my final paragraph
below.

I have done some media releases and get their attention when pointing out
the GA versus RPT comparison.
Here is an extract for your interest. It is written in simple terms because
I did not want the journo to stuff it up!!!!
"So, using simple arithmetic, we can make two immediate comparisons.

First, the 747 is around 340 times the weight of the Cessna.

Second, the 747 carries around 1280 times the explosive weight of fuel
(boom!)



The comparison shows why terrorists will seek out a 747 to maximise impact
damage.



However, it becomes frightening when we calculate the actual impact force of
a 747 versus a Cessna. Impact force is represented by the kinetic energy of
the object and kinetic energy is calculated by the formula "half the mass of
the object multiplied by the velocity squared" (which is why a high speed
car accident does innumerable times the damage of one at half the speed).



When we do the calculations for the 747 and the C172 we find that the 747 at
cruise speed hits a building with 5920 times the force of a C172 at cruise
speed. This is a horrific impact and explains the extent of the skyscraper
damage on Sept 11.



My Army training reminds me of the "expendability" factor. In infantry
attacks, there is a predicted manpower loss; therefore the gaining of the
objective must justify the loss. On the terrorist side, it stands to reason
that a terrorist planning to sacrifice all to get to Allah will likewise
desire maximum "impact" in exchange for his or her life.



The Pareto Principle suggests that we concentrate on the 20 percent of
important issues rather that the other 80 percent of trivia. However, it is
not so easy for the Government on the terrorist front - to date our only
results in capturing terrorists have been picking up their pieces after the
bomb blasts."

Icebound wrote:

There is lots of evidence that creating a felon out of a 14-year-old does
neither the boy nor society any good, but that's another arguement.

Nobody else made him a felon. He accomplished that all by himself. The powers
that be may make him a *convicted* felon, but he's already committed two
felonies that we know of.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
news:Zz4te.6190$EH1.4945@trndny03...
Robert Morien wrote:

But then again I'd bet the universe of 14 year olds that have driven a
tractor is pretty small.

There will be quite a few in any farming community.


Seeing that our agricultural portion of the population is about 2%, that
still won't be a hell of a lot.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message

There are at least two issues. We (GA) cannot survive if we allow the
security
folks to misrepresent the dangers of GA. But we also must address the
gross
ignorance of the non-flying public. ****ing away resources to address
imaginary
security concerns drains resources from addressing actual security
problems.

The US installs a massive bureaucracy and expects it to be efficient? HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA....

Matt Barrow wrote:

Seeing that our agricultural portion of the population is about 2%, that
still won't be a hell of a lot.

Averages don't mean diddly. Rainsville is a community of about 5,000 people with
two farmers' co-ops and a tractor company; ie. a strong agricultural presence.
Betcha a substantial portion of the kids there have some tractor experience.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

she was not alone, she was with her father and
a flight instructor,


And she was still described, praised, marketed (take your pick) as a
"pilot".

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)