Arrest King Daley!

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

I'm really, REALLY tired of
New Orleans politicians pointing the finger of blame everywhere except
at
their own chests.

Tough ****. They did everything they could. The Feds are the ones who
fell
down
on they job.

I don't think you can back-up that statement. Indications are the local
and
state governments did little to nothing.

And what little they DID DO, they did WRONG.


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Tom S." wrote:

Peter, I was taught that the House and Senate decide what goes in the
budget and gets passed up to the President.
If money is cut out of the budget, why does the President get the
blame?

NOTE: Line-item-veto

and what year was the line item veto first available?

and exercised how many times and on what items?

overturned how many times?

It doesn't exist, which is what, apparently, the MSM can't fathom.

I'm really, REALLY tired of New Orleans politicians pointing
the finger of blame everywhere except at their own chests.

Tough ****. They did everything they could. The Feds are the ones who
fell down on they job.

That is a false statement. The military have been the only really
effective force throughout this whole ordeal. They were not allowed in
until Thursday because the Governor of Louisiana wouldn't consent to
federal control of the military on Wednesday. She said she had to think
about it. That cost 24 hours of response time.

john smith wrote:

Tough ****. They did everything they could. The Feds are the ones who
fell down on they job.

That is a false statement. The military have been the only really
effective force throughout this whole ordeal.

We were talking about the effort to strengthen the levees. The locals don't own
them, would not have been allowed to do anything to them, and tried their best
to get the Corps of Engineers to strengthen them. Trying to blame the city of NO
for the levee failure is insanity.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

Doug Carter wrote:
In article GwNUe.4455$c27.1695@trndny01, George Patterson wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:


I'm really, REALLY tired of
New Orleans politicians pointing the finger of blame everywhere except at
their own chests.

Tough ****. They did everything they could. The Feds are the ones who fell down
on they job.

The Mayor and Governor should have admitted that they had not prepared for a
hurricane and were helpless *before* the hurricane..

And what does that have to do with the argument that the locals are somehow
responsible for the fact that the Federal government did not reinforce the levee
system which it owns?

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

On 08-Sep-05 19:31, Jay Honeck wrote:
This from EAA:

FAA Determines Meigs Closure Illegal, Imposes Maximum Fine
Nearly 2 1/2 years after the fact, the FAA has determined that Mayor Richard
Daley violated federal law when he ordered bulldozers to carve large "X's"
into the runway at Chicago's lakefront jewel, Merrill C. Meigs Field, after
midnight March 30, 2003. As a result, the FAA has levied a $33,000 fine, the
maximum allowed by law, on the city. "This vindicates what we've said all
along," said Steve Whitney, president of the Friends of Meigs Field. "Mayor
Daley's midnight massacre of Meigs was illegal. Good government doesn't
happen in the secret of night." The group calls on Daley himself to pay the
fine. "The Mayor of Chicago knew when he did this that it was illegal and
would incur fines," said Whitney. "Taxpayers should be outraged if they are
made to pay for such blatant abuse of power." The FAA is also investigating
whether the city improperly used over $2.8 million in restricted federal
aviation funds designated for airport improvement. According to documents
filed by the City of Chicago in December, $2,887,462 in airport funds was
spent to demolish Meigs and make way for a nature park. If found in
violation, the city may incur additional fines of $8 million or more. For
more information, visit www.friendsofmeigs.org.

Let's hope Daley ends up behind bars -- or in the looney bin -- where he
belongs.

We all can hope, but hope is all we will have about that! He is
like the Teflon-Don, he will walk. I would rather hope that they
would be forced to... repair the airport!! Yeahh..

A few of images which I made during our landing in Meigs made
it to a movie about GA and preservation of airports in the US:

http://onesixright.com/

Fantastic High-definition flight scenes and a great documentary!

One segment of the movie was devoted to a series of closed
airports, especially the story of Meigs was told in greater
detail. I assumed that the airport will be "frozen" in its
damaged condition. But in this movie I saw for the first
time that they removed the entire injured runway and the
all buildings, and... run of out money! The Island is for
the birds now. Shocking.

The movie will not be easy to be seen in theaters. We were
invited to the premiere in Hollywood, Bary Shiff spoke
laudatio and the entire management of Cessna was also
present:

http://www.pbase.com/thh/2005_06_25_16r_premiere

900 people came and AOPA Pilot magazine reported about its
making. Even if the airport was lost, the outcry about this
story is great and might help in preserving other airports.

Thomas

On 2005-09-12, George Patterson wrote:
Doug Carter wrote:
In article GwNUe.4455$c27.1695@trndny01, George Patterson wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:


I'm really, REALLY tired of
New Orleans politicians pointing the finger of blame everywhere except at
their own chests.

Tough ****. They did everything they could. The Feds are the ones who fell down
on they job.

The Mayor and Governor should have admitted that they had not prepared for a
hurricane and were helpless *before* the hurricane..

And what does that have to do with the argument that the locals are somehow
responsible for the fact that the Federal government did not reinforce the levee
system which it owns?

I was responding to the posters assertion, not your recent remarks about
levees, but still, the same point applies..

Every congress since at least the Carter administration has avoided
funding levee improvements (with more than a little help from
environmentalists and the courts).

Since the shortcomings of the levee system has been known for decades
the city had, as part of its emergency response plan, the responsibility
to use its municipal and school buses to evacuate those without other
transport. The city disregarded their own plan; these buses are now
under water.

Should the congress have used $20-100b of taxpayers money to subsidize
the city of New Orleans bright idea of housing a half million people
below sea level in one of the highest hurricane risk areas in the world?
Perhaps, but if you know a drunk driver is careening at you its a poor
time to stand on "your rights."

And what does that have to do with the argument that the locals are
somehow responsible for the fact that the Federal government did not
reinforce the levee system which it owns?

Well, George, if I was living in a city that was below sea level, surrounded
by water, I'd do one of two things:

1. Organize the political will to get the levees reinforced.
2. Leave.

I guess it's a Darwin thing.

You seem to regard the Federal Government as a monolithic, unresponsive
structure located far, far away from N.O. N.O. had representatives and
senators in Congress to get the job done, just like every other part of the
country. Hell, MY representatives managed to get Congress to appropriate
money (like, $100 million!) to build a friggin' RAIN FOREST in Iowa -- image
that?

If *that* is possible, ANYTHING is possible.

All politics are local. Louisiana state reps failed, N.O. local government
failed, and ultimately the residents of N.O. failed to express the political
will to fix their own problem -- with catastrophic results.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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john smith wrote:

Tough ****. They did everything they could. The Feds are the ones who
fell down on they job.

That is a false statement. The military have been the only really
effective force throughout this whole ordeal.

We were talking about the effort to strengthen the levees. The locals
don't own them, would not have been allowed to do anything to them, and
tried their best to get the Corps of Engineers to strengthen them. Trying
to blame the city of NO for the levee failure is insanity.

Like the New Orleans Levee Board?
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Issues and Insights - Sept. 9, 2005

Mary, Mary, Quite (To The) Contrary
Posted 9/9/2005

Politics: Louisiana's senior senator, whose brother is lieutenant governor
and whose father was New Orleans' mayor, is blaming President Bush for "the
staggering incompetence of the federal government." Come again?

It's understandable that on the Sept. 4 edition of ABC's "This Week," Mary
Landrieu said of President Bush, "I might likely have to punch him -
literally" if he or members of his administration made any more disparaging
remarks about local authorities and their pre- and post-Katrina efforts.
Some are and were family.

Brother Mitch Landrieu is lieutenant governor of Louisiana. Father "Moon"
Landrieu was not only mayor of New Orleans, but also later became secretary
of housing and urban development under President Carter.

If anyone had clout in Washington, it would be this family and this
swing-state senator. She could easily have traded her vote on a key issue or
nomination for needed funding, a common practice in Washington. If funding
for levee repairs was less than adequate, she was in a position to get more.

Likewise, ex-Sen. John Breaux was arguably the most influential senator in
Washington during the Clinton years, and could easily have gotten more
funding, if nothing else, in an effort to break the growing GOP hold on the
South.

But if all money ever asked for was appropriated, as Breaux himself has
said, everyone knew that the levee system was designed for a Category 3
hurricane, and not for a "once every hundred years" storm that could put New
Orleans under 20 feet of water. And the track record of how money that was
appropriated was actually spent is not good.

Despite Landrieu's complaints of budget cuts and paltry funding, the fact is
that over the five years of the Bush administration, Louisiana has received
more money - $1.9 billion - for Army Corps of Engineers civil works projects
than any other state, and more than under any other administration over a
similar period. California is a distant second with less than $1.4 billion
despite a population more than seven times as large.

In December 1995, the Orleans Levee Board actually boasted to the New
Orleans Times-Picayune about all the federal money it had to protect the
city from hurricanes. As a result, the board said, the "most ambitious
flood-fighting plan in generations was drafted," one that would plug the
"few manageable gaps" in the levee system.

The problem was at the local level. The ambitious plan fell apart when the
state suspended the Levee Board's ability to refinance old bonds and issue
new ones. As the Times-Picayune reported, Legislative Auditor Dan Kyle
"repeatedly faulted the Levee Board for the way it awards contracts, spends
money and ignores no-bid contract laws." Blocked by the state from raising
local money, the federal matching funds went unspent.

By 1998, Louisiana's state government had a $2 billion construction budget,
but less than one-tenth of one percent, or $1.98 million, was dedicated to
New Orleans levee improvements. By contrast, $22 million was spent that year
to renovate a home for the Louisiana Supreme Court.

Where did all the money go? Again, the Times-Picayune says much of the money
went not to flood control, but to lawmakers' pet projects, from a $750
million for a new canal lock to a $2.5 million Mardi Gras fountain project
that ran $600,000 over budget.

Nine months before Katrina, three top Louisiana Office of Homeland Security
and Emergency Preparedness officials were indicted by a federal grand jury
in Shreveport and charged, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office for the
Western District of Louisiana, "with offenses related to the obstruction of
an audit of the use of federal funds for flood mitigation opportunities
throughout Louisiana."

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"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck opined

It was 1927 and Hoover wasn't even anyone's dark horse candidate for
nomination, by his party, in the next summer's presidential convention.

When the devastating 1927 Mississippi River flood hit, he was the man
put
in
charge of the relief effort. His successful handling of the Mississippi
River flood relief program helped launch him into the White House the
following fall.

This is but one example of what Herbert Hoover did for this country -- and
the world. He was, indeed, an amazing man who did many great things. His
legacy has been sadly (and, largely, unavoidably) been burdened with the
dark pall of the Great Depression occurring on his watch.

HH could have blocked the Depression by vetoing the Smoot-Hawling tariffs.
Had
he vetoed the 1932 income tax increase years would have been removed from
the
Depression.

Few presidents really screw up badly, fewer still twice in a single term.

Anyone who buys into the myth that Hoover caused the depression because he
"did nothing" should read Murray Rothbard's "The Great Depression". Not only
didn't Hoover do nothing, he did a great deal...all of it completely back
asswards.