With the wind?

Nicely said.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Jose" wrote in message
m...
| A metaphor that the user needs to explain.
|
| "Magic words" (real ones, which btw do not exist) are
words which, when
| uttered, do things that are beyond the laws of physics.
They are
| incantations of, well, magic. Simply saying the magic
words cause
| things to happen which ordinarily could not take place.
|
| "Please" and "thank you" are metaphorically "magic words"
because by
| using those words, people respond differently than when
the same
| situation is presented, but without these words. They are
(of course)
| not =really= magical and do not invoke the other world,
but because they
| are powerful social lubricants, they have been given this
metaphorical
| moniker.
|
| "Mayday" and "this is an emergency" are also words which
elicit a
| powerful response when otherwise such a response would not
be
| forthcoming. While they do not have the power of actual
magical
| incantations (and thus cannot put fuel in your tank) they
will in
| general garner much more assistance than would normally be
gotten
| without them.
|
| "Unable" is similar in this respect. By conveying that
the requested
| action is not just inconvenient, but either unsafe or
impossible, the
| other party is more likely to try to find a workaround, if
it is possible.
|
| As with all incantations, metaphorical or otherwise, abuse
leads to the
| wrath of the Dark Side, which may be vented on those later
to come.
| Therefore, these magic words should be used with care.
But they do have
| a powerful effect, even if it is not truely magical.
|
| Controllers can use these words too. "Request straight in
to runway 5"
| (runway 5 is full of men and machines, seventy parked
cars, and a large
| tent). "Unable runway 5, I can give you left base to
runway 35. Report
| three miles."
|
| Generally however it is the pilots who will have the more
stringent
| operations requirements, and will be more likely to use
magic words.
|
| Jose
| --
| Nothing takes longer than a shortcut.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

That's very true, what I write is not always what or the
only thing I'm thinking.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
message
ink.net...
|
| "Jose" wrote in message
| m...
|
| "Magic words" (real ones, which btw do not exist) are
words which, when
| uttered, do things that are beyond the laws of physics.
They are
| incantations of, well, magic. Simply saying the magic
words cause things
| to happen which ordinarily could not take place.
|
| "Please" and "thank you" are metaphorically "magic
words" because by using
| those words, people respond differently than when the
same situation is
| presented, but without these words. They are (of
course) not =really=
| magical and do not invoke the other world, but because
they are powerful
| social lubricants, they have been given this
metaphorical moniker.
|
| "Mayday" and "this is an emergency" are also words which
elicit a powerful
| response when otherwise such a response would not be
forthcoming. While
| they do not have the power of actual magical
incantations (and thus cannot
| put fuel in your tank) they will in general garner much
more assistance
| than would normally be gotten without them.
|
| "Unable" is similar in this respect. By conveying that
the requested
| action is not just inconvenient, but either unsafe or
impossible, the
| other party is more likely to try to find a workaround,
if it is possible.
|
| As with all incantations, metaphorical or otherwise,
abuse leads to the
| wrath of the Dark Side, which may be vented on those
later to come.
| Therefore, these magic words should be used with care.
But they do have a
| powerful effect, even if it is not truely magical.
|
| Controllers can use these words too. "Request straight
in to runway 5"
| (runway 5 is full of men and machines, seventy parked
cars, and a large
| tent). "Unable runway 5, I can give you left base to
runway 35. Report
| three miles."
|
| Generally however it is the pilots who will have the
more stringent
| operations requirements, and will be more likely to use
magic words.
|
|
| Only Jim Macklin can explain what he was thinking.
|
|

Ditto



"Jose" wrote in message
m...
| Only Jim Macklin can explain what he was thinking.
|
| I don't think that's true. If he has expressed himself
reasonably
| (which I think he has), then many people can explain what
he was
| thinking, or at least what he was attempting to
communicate. He is of
| course free to explain himself further, but I'll bet I'm
fairly close.
|
| Jose
| --
| Nothing takes longer than a shortcut.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

I went to bed for a while.



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
message
ink.net...
|
| "Newps" wrote in message
| ...
|
| Everybody with at least three brain cells knew what he
was talking about.
|
|
| Well, then it shouldn't have been too hard for him to
explain. I wonder why
| he declined to do that?
|
|

CFI ASMEI, ATP BE300/1900 BE400/MU300 Gold Seal CFI 8,000
plus hours, lots of single pilot hard IFR, including ATL and
ORD and STL. Also grass strips and pastures and a number of
planned highway landings [ the police will take road signs
down if you need them too and ask nicely, even block traffic
for you].
Steve has a problem with any opinion except his own, just
the thought that I had; but I might not know what I'm
talking about on that issue.



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
message
nk.net...
|
| "Jose" wrote in message
| . com...
|
| He didn't want to waste time?
|
| He hasn't read your incomprehension yet?
|
| He's taking extra time to figure out how to express
himself in a manner
| fitting his audience?
|
|
| No, it's because he doesn't know what he's talking about.
|
|

In article ,
says...


CLEARED FOR THE OPTION- ATC authorization for an aircraft to make a
touch-and-go, low approach, missed approach, stop and go, or full stop
landing at the discretion of the pilot. It is normally used in training so
that an instructor can evaluate a student's performance under changing
situations.

And in conditions where the pilot is not certain that a landing can be
accomplished. (i.e. Strong crosswinds.)

As is "Touch and Go, Stop and Go, Full Stop or Crash and Burn?"
I don't think so.

GF

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...
Did he land without a clearance?

No, but the clearance he got that permitted him to do as he wished could be
best described as "begrudging".

D.

"Jose" wrote in message
m...
"Please" and "thank you" are metaphorically "magic words" because by using
those words, people respond differently than when the same situation is
presented, but without these words. They are (of course) not =really=
magical and do not invoke the other world, but because they are powerful
social lubricants, they have been given this metaphorical moniker.

Can I add one to the list: "sir" (or "ma'am" counts too). As in "XX radar,
good morning sir, G-ABCD, PA-28 blah, blah, blah ...".

I remember waiting for another pilot to belt up so I could get in on the
radio and ask for a clearance. The other guy was being downright rude and
awkward, demanding stuff from the controller, and it was clear that the
controller wasn't having any of it. Eventually I chimed in with a cheery "XX
radar, good morning sir, ..." and asked for (and got) precisely what the
other guy had been declined (can't remember what now). There may, of course,
have been some condition that prevented the controller from granting what
the other guy had asked for, and that condition had ceased to exist in the
couple of minutes since he asked for it, but I like to think it was because
I was nice to the controller :-)

D.

In article ,
says...


Can I add one to the list: "sir" (or "ma'am" counts too). As in "XX radar,
good morning sir, G-ABCD, PA-28 blah, blah, blah ...".


A controller once told me over lunch that he was irked by "all this sir stuff"
and would prefer businesslike manner - just state what you want. Maybe that's
just him. . .


Once a tower controller, seeing a developing conflict, sent a slower plane out
on an extended downwind to get him out of my way, and gave me priority to land.
I thanked him for his cooperation, and he yelled at me for wasting his time!

GF

"Greg Farris" wrote in
CLEARED FOR THE OPTION- ATC authorization for an aircraft to make a
touch-and-go, low approach, missed approach, stop and go, or full stop
landing at the discretion of the pilot. It is normally used in training
so
that an instructor can evaluate a student's performance under changing
situations.

And in conditions where the pilot is not certain that a landing can be
accomplished. (i.e. Strong crosswinds.)

As is "Touch and Go, Stop and Go, Full Stop or Crash and Burn?"
I don't think so.

Huh?

moo