23 July OSH accident audio

00:01:15 minutes into the playback is when the accident occurred on 23
July

http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/kosh...2006-1330Z.mp3

Listening to stupidities flying in I can handle. Listening to someone die
isn't on my list.

Jim




"john smith" wrote in message
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00:01:15 minutes into the playback is when the accident occurred on 23
July

http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/kosh...2006-1330Z.mp3

In article ,
"RST Engineering" wrote:

Listening to stupidities flying in I can handle. Listening to someone die
isn't on my list.

Jim, you don't "hear anyone dieing!"
What you hear is how the FAA failed to share information with the pilots
via ATIS and the FISKE controllers. This was why there was a meltdown in
the Green Lake hold. For three hours, no one knew what was going on. Had
the pilots and controllers been informed, many people probably would
have headed for outlying airports to wait it out. Instead, there was a
second near disaster on another runway after they started emptying the
holding areas. This is a lesson learned situation.

"john smith" wrote in message
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: In article ,
: "RST Engineering" wrote:
:
: Listening to stupidities flying in I can handle. Listening to someone die
: isn't on my list.
:
: Jim, you don't "hear anyone dieing!"
: What you hear is how the FAA failed to share information with the pilots
: via ATIS and the FISKE controllers. This was why there was a meltdown in
: the Green Lake hold. For three hours, no one knew what was going on. Had
: the pilots and controllers been informed, many people probably would
: have headed for outlying airports to wait it out. Instead, there was a
: second near disaster on another runway after they started emptying the
: holding areas. This is a lesson learned situation.

Yea, I was flying in just about this time and there was no comment or anything on the ATIS to indicate the airport was
closed or at saturation. There were a lot of planes circling south of green lake, and the controller was saying the
airport was closed for another 20 minutes. I was passing north of Milwaukee about that time so I slowed it down a bit
(in a C-172, ok, a lot) to about 75 knots and kept on listening. As I got closer in I kept hearing that the airport was
closed for another 20 minutes, etc. I diverted to Fond Du Lac and picked up some gas and waited around for about 45
minutes. No-one there knew anything had happened either and the temporary tower knew nothing (or they weren't letting on
that they knew anything).

I popped back out just before the racers came in to Fond Du Lac, still listening, and they were still stacked up all
around green lake. I flew around it twice and we had a nice spacing so a string of us went on in towards fiske and
finally landed...

Just for my nosiness, why are we calling Fisk Fiske now?

Jim

"RST Engineering" wrote in message ...
: Just for my nosiness, why are we calling Fisk Fiske now?
:
: Jim
:
:

That is the intersection waypoint name.

In article ,
"RST Engineering" wrote:

Just for my nosiness, why are we calling Fisk Fiske now?

FAA has standardize to ICAO five character intersection names.
RIPON and FISKE are now intersections in the FAA database.

Sorry. IFR/VFR thing. There is FISKE fix at Fisk. 6 DME on the OSH 247R.
I practice approaches at OSH and use FISKE as a lead in/setup/non published
hold fix. Want to practice a hold near OSH without tying up their fixes or
approaches? FISKE works. Although not on the plates it also gives Chicago
an idea what my route is before I request the approach(s). There is also a
DME fix called RIPON at Ripon.

Jim


"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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Just for my nosiness, why are we calling Fisk Fiske now?

Jim

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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Just for my nosiness, why are we calling Fisk Fiske now?


FISKE is 6 DME from OSH on the 247 radial.

RST Engineering wrote:
Just for my nosiness, why are we calling Fisk Fiske now?

Because ir rhyhms with risky? :-)

Matt