Crashing on takeoff... how odd

Matt Whiting wrote:

I certainly always appreciate when ATC catches a mistake that I make or am about to
make, but as PIC the bottom line is that it is still my responsibility for any errors, not
ATC's.


And since in the instant case he's the only survivor, what he'll have
to say will make for interesting reading, although the loss of lives is
irreversible

Ramapriya

Matt Whiting wrote in
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If the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway and the pilots
taxied to a different one, how does the tower share in this blame?

On what basis are you assuming that he was cleared to the correct runway?

"Judah" wrote in message
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Matt Whiting wrote in
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If the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway and the pilots
taxied to a different one, how does the tower share in this blame?

On what basis are you assuming that he was cleared to the correct runway?


He's not. He said IF the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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"Judah" wrote in message
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Matt Whiting wrote in
:

If the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway and the pilots
taxied to a different one, how does the tower share in this blame?

On what basis are you assuming that he was cleared to the correct
runway?


He's not. He said IF the tower cleared the airplane to the correct
runway.


I read the inflection of the "If" as a statement of presumption, not as the
subject of the query. But you're right - I could have misread the intent.

Judah wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in
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If the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway and the pilots
taxied to a different one, how does the tower share in this blame?


On what basis are you assuming that he was cleared to the correct runway?

Doesn't matter. It is up to us as pilots to be familiar with all
available information prior to our flight. That includes the length of
runway required for takeoff and the lengths of the runways at the
airports we are using.


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in news:OurIg.777$Db4.98462
@news1.epix.net:

Judah wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in
:


If the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway and the pilots
taxied to a different one, how does the tower share in this blame?


On what basis are you assuming that he was cleared to the correct runway?

Doesn't matter. It is up to us as pilots to be familiar with all
available information prior to our flight. That includes the length of
runway required for takeoff and the lengths of the runways at the
airports we are using.

I agree with you. I was simply asking why you assumed that he was cleared for
the correct runway.

The PIC is not the only party responsible- for example, if given a heading
or other instruction and the pilot reads it back incorrectly, the ATC
controller will also held responsible for not catching the error on the read
back.

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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The PIC is not the only party responsible- for example, if given a heading
or other instruction and the pilot reads it back incorrectly, the ATC
controller will also held responsible for not catching the error on the
read back.


Not anymore.

What Dave said. Controllers are no longer liable for failure to catch
erroneous readbacks.

Bob Gardner

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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The PIC is not the only party responsible- for example, if given a heading
or other instruction and the pilot reads it back incorrectly, the ATC
controller will also held responsible for not catching the error on the
read back.

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
...

What Dave said. Controllers are no longer liable for failure to catch
erroneous readbacks.


How so?