Flying patterns

Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

Stefan writes:

Wrong.

By definition, if you are flying by instruments, you aren't looking
out the window. ATC provides separation.

Wrong.

I really wish you would stop spreading misinformation in the newsgroup.
There are other visitors who really do want to learn, and constantly
correcting your misinformation is an abuse of the time of those who are
willing to help.

Neil

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Stefan writes:

Wrong.

By definition, if you are flying by instruments, you aren't looking
out the window. ATC provides separation.

By 'what' definintion?

Thomas Borchert schrieb:

Over here, IFR at uncontrolled airports is impossible, because such

Actually, only in Germany, and it is one of the more grave (and
unnecessary and stupid) violations of ICAO rules. ICAO does not prohibit
IFR in class G. German regulation does. IFR in Class G is completely
normal in Europe outside Germany.

Actually no, twice no.

1. Germany has a couple of class F airports. Last I've read the ICAO
definitions, class F was still uncontrolled.

2. There is no IFR in class G in Switzerland, either. Ok, It could be
argued whether Switzerland really belongs to Europe.

Besides, it can be argued whether IFR in class G is a good thing,
especially considering the airspace structure of Germany. Glider pilots
tend to have a different opinion on this than power pilots.

Stefan

Mxsmanic wrote:
Jose writes:

Yanno Mx, maybe you should get a flight instructor to give you a lesson
in your =simulator=.

I don't know if any flight instructor would condescend to work with a
mere simulator. Besides, nobody would do it for free, and I have no
money.


The reason you have no money is that you spend your time here. Have you
considered getting a job? A real one; not a simulated one?

It's amazing how much easier it is to pay the bills when you work. Surely
McDonald's could use a man of your obvious intellect and skills?



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Mortimer Schnerd, RN

Mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Neil Gould writes:

Now, that IS trolling. Sorry to see you sink to this.

I'm not trolling, I'm serious. I don't know what it is about USENET,
but sometimes sifting through the losers to find people who can
actually sustain an intelligent discussion is exceedingly difficult.

On the one hand, I have the old boys' club here that cannot condescend
to speak to anyone who doesn't meet their own standards of pilothood
(the threshold invariably being whatever level they've achieved
themselves, no more and no less). On the other, I have the kiddies in
sim groups who cannot wait for the next version of MSFS because the
box is so pretty. There are practically no level-headed people in
between.


So you have two very different groups of people that think you are a twit.
Is it possible that they are both correct?

And to say that the folks at RFP cannot condescend to speak to you is pretty
much disproved by simply looking back over the last few weeks of postings.

Thomas Borchert writes:

And after you've read those, read the corresponding ICAO documents and
you'll see how much France does things without exceptions and the US
has tons.

Nevertheless, I'd prefer to do it the US way.

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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

So you have two very different groups of people that think you are a twit.
Is it possible that they are both correct?

Yes, but it is not probable.

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Steve Foley writes:

By 'what' definintion?

You follow their instructions, therefore they are providing
separation. You can't see anything in IMC (the ostensible reason for
flying IFR), so how else are you going to maintain separation?

If you see another a/c out the window, fine, but the idea of IFR is to
make flight safe even if you can't see anything out the window.

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Thomas Borchert writes:

You couldn't be more wrong. Whenever the weather is VMC, in most
airspace, you as IFR traffic have to provide separation from VFR
traffic, not the controller.

Only if you have the traffic in sight, IIRC.

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Mortimer Schnerd, RN writes:

The reason you have no money is that you spend your time here.

No, the reasons are more complex than that, and I won't go into them
here.

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