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Bob Noel wrote:



"remote TRACONS" have been in the works for years, waaaay
before 911. The FAA was looking to consoladate facilities in order
to save money. The military has nothing nada zippo to do with it.


SoCal has been around for at least 10 years.

These combined super tracons work a whole lot better than the old way.

But not "remote."

Towers have been being replaced for decades.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG



"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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Wichita, Kansas tower was removed from terminal building and
located in a secure building with no place to hide a bomb.

Topeka, Kansas, the tower was moved into the center of the
airport behind the fences.

All over the country, towers are being relocated, still on
the airport, but in a secure new building.



"karl gruber" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
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| All ATC facilities were moved to remote locations [as
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| OK, I'll bite. Name ONE remote tower.
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| Karl
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Jim Macklin wrote:

You can fly under IFR rules in uncontrolled airspace Class
G.

Well, yes, technically you can but what do you do for an instrument
approach when you cannot leave the en route altitude under 91.177?

And, in any case, the airlines cannot fly IFR in Class G airspace except
when conducting weather avoidance. And, since most of them are above
14,500 these days that provision is mostly moot.

Ron Natalie wrote:

Newps wrote:



Jim Macklin wrote:

You can fly under IFR rules in uncontrolled airspace Class G.



Sure, but nobody does because it is too impractical.


People do it all the time. You could never get off a
field without a control zone (er um, surface area of
controlled airspace designated for an airport) with out it.

That is for a very short period of time, just like descending below 700
feet on many IAPs takes you into Class G airspace.

I do it all the time. Try coming out of the Sand Canyon airport on a crummy
day.

Karl
Curator" N185KG




"Newps" wrote in message
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Jim Macklin wrote:
You can fly under IFR rules in uncontrolled airspace Class G.


Sure, but nobody does because it is too impractical.

Ron,

You know well that they've been moving the centers for DECADES. Nice to see
your name on Avsig.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG



"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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karl gruber wrote:
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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All ATC facilities were moved to remote locations [as much
as possible] including airport towers.


OK, I'll bite. Name ONE remote tower.

Not the local control, but a lot of the TRACONs which were
in the tower radar rooms have been moved. For example,
BWI's approach controllers are over 50 miles away in the
consolidated Potomac TRACON (which is located in Vint
Hill Farm, an old Army property). It provides control
from Richmond on up to halfway to Philly.

karl gruber wrote:

Ron,

You know well that they've been moving the centers for DECADES. Nice to see
your name on Avsig.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG

The centers were moved in the early 1960s to get them away from possible
nuclear attacks on major cities.

Sam Spade wrote:



And, in any case, the airlines cannot fly IFR in Class G airspace except
when conducting weather avoidance. And, since most of them are above
14,500 these days that provision is mostly moot.

We have lots of uncontrolled airspace out here. Most of the smaller
airlines and air taxis have approval to fly in uncontrolled airspace.

Newps wrote:



Sam Spade wrote:



And, in any case, the airlines cannot fly IFR in Class G airspace
except when conducting weather avoidance. And, since most of them are
above 14,500 these days that provision is mostly moot.


We have lots of uncontrolled airspace out here. Most of the smaller
airlines and air taxis have approval to fly in uncontrolled airspace.

I was speaking of the safe airlines. The FAA just doesn't learn from
its own history to let those jump jet airlines do that.

Sam Spade wrote:

Newps wrote:



Sam Spade wrote:



And, in any case, the airlines cannot fly IFR in Class G airspace
except when conducting weather avoidance. And, since most of them
are above 14,500 these days that provision is mostly moot.



We have lots of uncontrolled airspace out here. Most of the smaller
airlines and air taxis have approval to fly in uncontrolled airspace.


I was speaking of the safe airlines.

You didn't know what you were talking about, that much is clear.


The FAA just doesn't learn from
its own history to let those jump jet airlines do that.

Don't know what a jump jet airline is. The size of an airline doesn't
affect safety. Most airlines now are under part 121.