Scary Icing ATC tape

Here is the same thing with subtitles


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW3mK...elated&search=


On 3 Feb 2007 19:45:21 -0800, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

Several years ago there was an mp3 circulated I guess in an attempt to show how
vauable ATC is. A guy was calling mayday because he was in a spin (apparently)
but survived after popping out of the bottom of the clouds.

I don't think many people would say the "pilot stayed so calm"

That would be this one, from Ft. Dodge, IA Flight Service station, via
our website:

http://alexisparkinn.com/photogaller...ightassist.mp3

Although most of it is an infomercial for Flight Service, the audio
portion of the out-of-control pilot should be required listening for
all new pilots.

GeorgeC

buttman writes:

Has there EVER been a voice recording of an incident where the
consensus is that the pilot handled the situation in the WRONG way? It
seems that every time one of these are posted, no matter how much the
pilot freaks out, people always respond with "Oh that pilot stayed so
calm, what a great job. I'd fly with him/her!!".

I wouldn't fly with this pilot, or with any pilot who couldn't keep
his cool in an emergency.

When in danger, the leader (or PIC in this case) should not lose their
cool. That doesn't mean they have to be stone faced, but a good leader
resists the urge to go into all-out panic mode.

Yes. Panic is counter-productive.

Honestly, comparing this one to other similar voice recordings I've
heard, this woman went bonkers.

Agreed.

I wouldn't say she is a terrible
pilot, but at the same time, I don't think she handled this situation
as best as she could have. I think this woman was lucky. Going by what
I heard on the MP3, if things had been a little different, she may not
have made it. It's my opinion that she was saved by dumb luck. All
though with more info I may be proven wrong.

I agree. She got lucky. She did nothing to recover, she just had
some random luck. She didn't even seem to know what had happened.
She ignored every mention of icing, and her actions indicate that she
wasn't concerned about icing, even though she didn't really know what
was wrong.

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The transcript clearly has her saying she turned on boots and heat.

Maybe it's the water in Paris, at least the water or water substitute
Anthony drinks.
..




On Feb 3, 7:15 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
buttman writes:
Has there EVER been a voice recording of an incident where the
consensus is that the pilot handled the situation in the WRONG way? It
seems that every time one of these are posted, no matter how much the
pilot freaks out, people always respond with "Oh that pilot stayed so
calm, what a great job. I'd fly with him/her!!".

I wouldn't fly with this pilot, or with any pilot who couldn't keep
his cool in an emergency.

When in danger, the leader (or PIC in this case) should not lose their
cool. That doesn't mean they have to be stone faced, but a good leader
resists the urge to go into all-out panic mode.

Yes. Panic is counter-productive.

Honestly, comparing this one to other similar voice recordings I've
heard, this woman went bonkers.

Agreed.

I wouldn't say she is a terrible
pilot, but at the same time, I don't think she handled this situation
as best as she could have. I think this woman was lucky. Going by what
I heard on the MP3, if things had been a little different, she may not
have made it. It's my opinion that she was saved by dumb luck. All
though with more info I may be proven wrong.

I agree. She got lucky. She did nothing to recover, she just had
some random luck. She didn't even seem to know what had happened.
She ignored every mention of icing, and her actions indicate that she
wasn't concerned about icing, even though she didn't really know what
was wrong.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

buttman writes:

Has there EVER been a voice recording of an incident where the
consensus is that the pilot handled the situation in the WRONG way? It
seems that every time one of these are posted, no matter how much the
pilot freaks out, people always respond with "Oh that pilot stayed so
calm, what a great job. I'd fly with him/her!!".

I wouldn't fly with this pilot, or with any pilot who couldn't keep
his cool in an emergency.

Oh please. I've heard a lot of people sound a lot more excited than that
riding a roller coaster at Six Flags. One's attention and nerves should be
focused on flying the damn airplane, not their tone inflection while on the
radio. If there's anything to fault her for, it is not landing as soon as
possible to check everything out. Maybe she did after the clip ended, who
knows.



When in danger, the leader (or PIC in this case) should not lose their
cool. That doesn't mean they have to be stone faced, but a good leader
resists the urge to go into all-out panic mode.

Yes. Panic is counter-productive.

That's good. You listened to a tape where nobody panicked and therefore
stayed alive.

Owen Roberts writes:

One's attention and nerves should be
focused on flying the damn airplane, not their tone inflection while on the
radio.

In practice, one's tone on the radio is often a reflection of
attention and nerves while flying the airplane.

That's good. You listened to a tape where nobody panicked and therefore
stayed alive.

She panicked for a time. If the ice hadn't started to melt (not
necessarily through any action of her own), she'd probably be dead.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Owen Roberts writes:

That's good. You listened to a tape where nobody panicked and
therefore stayed alive.

She panicked for a time. If the ice hadn't started to melt (not
necessarily through any action of her own), she'd probably be dead.

Always nice to be an armchair pilot, isn't it?

The ice came off because the pilot turned on the boots. It did not melt.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
This is the audio tape of a Fed Ex Caravan pilot who tangled with some
severe icing conditions.

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...78L-Mayday.mp3

(It's a good-sized .mp3 file, so be patient while it downloads...)

This was given to me by our local FAA safety guy, to share with our
airport user's group. The stark terror in her voice is chilling, and
really points out how quickly things can go bad.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


She was obviously stressed by thinking she was going to die, but maintained
aircraft control. I think she did good.

It sounds to me the controller missed her first Mayday calls, but turned
around and did a good job.

Danny Deger