U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!

"Mike Marron" wrote in message ...
"Phineas Pinkham" wrote:
"ArtKramr" wrote:

One more question, You wouldn't have wanted to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

It is our understanding that "nobody" WANTED to be a bombardier.
They were dragooned from the pilot wannabes who tested low at the
Classification Center or washed out of Pilot Training.
Isn't that what you posted previously?
It was either that or the dreaded Infantry?

Ahh, the old penis envy syndrome. No wonder Kramer hates pilots
and is such a miserable, bitter, angry old egomaniac with an
inferiority complex and why he trots out "wannabee" every whipstitch
while berating anyone or everyone who "wasn't there" like him --


Go easy, Mike. If you had his haemorrhoids you would be hard to live with
also. he must be spending too much time at the Slot Machines, thise stools
are very uncomfortable.

Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: "Phineas Pinkham"
Date: 9/1/03 11:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message


"ArtKramr" wrote in message

One more question, You wouldn't have wanted
to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

Arthur Kramer

It is our understanding that "nobody" WANTED to be a bombardier.
They were dragooned from the pilot wannabes who tested low at the
Classification Center or washed out of Pilot Training.
Isn't that what you posted previously?
It was either that or the dreaded Infantry?



Total bull**** you horses ass. I never went to pilot training or washed
out of
anything..you lying piece of crap.

Arthur Kramer

No one said YOU did, old chap! Went to Pilot Training or washed out, that
is.
We just remember you saying that the ones who couldn't attain high enough
Test Scores at the Classification Centre to be sent to Pilot Training were
sent to Bombardier Training or the Infantry! Believe you said San Antonio or
Santa Ana were the Class. Centres, know there ws one at Nashville, also.
Does your response mean you enlisted as an Aviation Cadet for the express
purpose of becoming a Bomb Aimer?



I went in to serve my country. How about you? And the school was Big Springs.
You know zero about anything.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

(ArtKramr) wrote:

From: "Billy Beck

(BUFDRVR) wrote:

Wanna trade places?

Nope, enjoy being a pilot, although the radar nav (bombardier) job is what
it's all about.

If you're asking me if I want to be a B-26 pilot circa 1943 in Europe ,
sure, that's where the "action" was.

If you're asking me to choose between being a B-52 pilot circa 1999 or a
B-26 pilot circa 1943, its really an unfair question. I know how much I enjoy
piloting a B-52H circa 1999, but I can only speculate about the B-26 and the
feeling of accomplishment of each sortie in 1943.

So...bottom line, we can't really trade. So what's your point?

The bottom line is that you're a punk because Art says so.

shrug Face it, B. There's no way you can measure up.

I never said he was a punk. I said you were a punk. Now prove otherwise,

The difference between a skeptic and a cynic is that while the
former is not convinced, the latter *will not be* convinced. It's a
form of bigotry: the particularly depraved condition of a person who
will not think.

And I know what you are, Art. You're just rotten, now.


Billy

http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php

"Phineas Pinkham" wrote:

Go easy, Mike. If you had his haemorrhoids you would be hard to live with
also. he must be spending too much time at the Slot Machines, thise stools
are very uncomfortable.

Kramer's definition of "true love" is when he wakes up in the morning
with a hickey on his hemorrhoids.

-Mike Marron

"ArtKramr" wrote in message

From: "Phineas Pinkham"


"ArtKramr" wrote in message


"ArtKramr" wrote in message

One more question, You wouldn't have wanted
to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

Arthur Kramer

It is our understanding that "nobody" WANTED to be a bombardier.
They were dragooned from the pilot wannabes who tested low at the
Classification Center or washed out of Pilot Training.
Isn't that what you posted previously?
It was either that or the dreaded Infantry?



Total bull**** you horses ass. I never went to pilot training or washed
out of
anything..you lying piece of crap.

Arthur Kramer

No one said YOU did, old chap! Went to Pilot Training or washed out, that
is.
We just remember you saying that the ones who couldn't attain high enough
Test Scores at the Classification Centre to be sent to Pilot Training
were
sent to Bombardier Training or the Infantry! Believe you said San Antonio
or
Santa Ana were the Class. Centres, know there ws one at Nashville, also.
Does your response mean you enlisted as an Aviation Cadet for the express
purpose of becoming a Bomb Aimer?



I went in to serve my country. How about you? And the school was Big
Springs.
You know zero about anything.

Always avoid answering the question is your m.o.
Not talking about a School, numb nuts, we were talking about a
Classification Centre.
Served 24 years active duty, old boy that suffice to ask a question of the
old foul mouth?

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
Art Kramer spewed:
Billy Beck wrote:

The bottom line is that you're a punk because Art says so.



I never said he was a punk. I said you were a punk. Now prove otherwise,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yet another fine example of Kramer's magnificent "courage"...


How does he get access to a PC in an Alzheimer's Nursing Facility?

(ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: Ed Rasimus

It wasn't prejudice against B-52s. It was a simple reflection of
threat levels. In SEA, the criteria was 10 mission over North Vietnam,
20 missions "in-country" (South VN, Laos, Cambodia) and 25
"combat-support" missions--typically in-country air-lift, but also
country transit missions like Arc Light.

If you check the combat losses for B-52s, they were very low-threat
until Linebacker. The only combat losses experienced for most of the
Arc Light campaigns were mid-airs between B-52s (arguably a result of
poor judgement).

The heavies really earned their Air Medals when Linebacker II started,
and then got credit for one AM for every ten sorties. They also earned
a lot of DFC's and Silver Stars during those eleven days of Christmas.


Ed Rasimus

Thanks Ed that clarifies it. Threat level was the determining factor. Makes
some sense now. When I first heard 25 missions for one Air Medal it boggled the
mind. BTW, how many missions for an Air Medal in fighters? I figure you should
have 20 Air Medals by wars end.

Arthur Kramer

The criteria didn't vary by type. A fighter or a bomber got the same
credit. If it was an NVN mission it took 10, if "in-country" it took
20.

You figure correctly. I got 15 for 150 NVN and 5 for 100 in-country.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038

Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 9/1/03 3:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

(ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: Ed Rasimus

It wasn't prejudice against B-52s. It was a simple reflection of
threat levels. In SEA, the criteria was 10 mission over North Vietnam,
20 missions "in-country" (South VN, Laos, Cambodia) and 25
"combat-support" missions--typically in-country air-lift, but also
country transit missions like Arc Light.

If you check the combat losses for B-52s, they were very low-threat
until Linebacker. The only combat losses experienced for most of the
Arc Light campaigns were mid-airs between B-52s (arguably a result of
poor judgement).

The heavies really earned their Air Medals when Linebacker II started,
and then got credit for one AM for every ten sorties. They also earned
a lot of DFC's and Silver Stars during those eleven days of Christmas.


Ed Rasimus

Thanks Ed that clarifies it. Threat level was the determining factor. Makes
some sense now. When I first heard 25 missions for one Air Medal it boggled
the
mind. BTW, how many missions for an Air Medal in fighters? I figure you
should
have 20 Air Medals by wars end.

Arthur Kramer

The criteria didn't vary by type. A fighter or a bomber got the same
credit. If it was an NVN mission it took 10, if "in-country" it took
20.

You figure correctly. I got 15 for 150 NVN and 5 for 100 in-country.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038


I think you got short changed. You flew 150 and got 20. I flew 50 and got 10. I
figure you deserved 30. (sheesh)


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: "Phineas Pinkham"
Date: 9/1/03 3:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Not talking about a School, numb nuts, we were talking about a
Classification Centre.
Served 24 years active duty, old boy that suffice to ask a question of the
old foul mouth?



Then how come you know zero about anything? I guess your active duty wasn't
all that active.
..
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

You wouldn't have wanted to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

As my first choice? No, but if not chosen to fly, it seems like the next best
thing. Even today my second choice of jobs would be as B-52 radar Nav. In fact,
I've been known to go down stairs quite often and do simulated weapons
releases. Its a lot of fun.....but not nearly as much as piloting.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"