Ferry flight a commercial op?

Our flying club sold our PA32R Lance because very few people were flying
it. As one of that few, I offered to ferry it out to the buyer. A CFI in
the club said I can't, because it's a commercial operation, even though
I'm not getting paid. Is he right?

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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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Our flying club sold our PA32R Lance because very few people were flying
it. As one of that few, I offered to ferry it out to the buyer. A CFI in
the club said I can't, because it's a commercial operation, even though
I'm not getting paid. Is he right?


Will you use the ferry time to qualify for another rating?

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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Our flying club sold our PA32R Lance because very few people were flying
it. As one of that few, I offered to ferry it out to the buyer. A CFI in
the club said I can't, because it's a commercial operation, even though
I'm not getting paid. Is he right?


Will you use the ferry time to qualify for another rating?

No. I have no current plans to get a commercial or CFI rating.


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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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No. I have no current plans to get a commercial or CFI rating.


Then it's not a commercial operation.

(Paul Tomblin) wrote in
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Our flying club sold our PA32R Lance because very few people were
flying it. As one of that few, I offered to ferry it out to the
buyer. A CFI in the club said I can't, because it's a commercial
operation, even though I'm not getting paid. Is he right?


No. unless someone else is getting paid. If you were flying for a
commercial operator, for instance.

He's probably just jealous since he'll be going around in circles while
you;re doing it.


Bertie

Paul Tomblin wrote:
because it's a commercial operation,

Maybe he thinks

Sales = Commerce

?

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Kloudy via AviationKB.com wrote:
Paul Tomblin wrote:
because it's a commercial operation,

Maybe he thinks

Sales = Commerce

?

I don't buy it. Are you saying if I sell a plane I own I can't take it to
the buyer or fly it somewhere for a buyer to to see it? I could make the
same flight legally to sell widgets either for myself or my employer.

In a previous article, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net said:
Kloudy via AviationKB.com wrote:
Paul Tomblin wrote:
because it's a commercial operation,

Maybe he thinks

Sales = Commerce

?

I don't buy it. Are you saying if I sell a plane I own I can't take it to
the buyer or fly it somewhere for a buyer to to see it? I could make the
same flight legally to sell widgets either for myself or my employer.

Don't the FARs contain explicit language about demoing airplanes for sale
not requiring a commercial rating?

Not that that applies to my situation - the plane is sold, I'm just
delivering it to the buyer.


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Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net said:
Kloudy via AviationKB.com wrote:
Paul Tomblin wrote:
because it's a commercial operation,

Maybe he thinks

Sales = Commerce

?

I don't buy it. Are you saying if I sell a plane I own I can't take
it to the buyer or fly it somewhere for a buyer to to see it? I
could make the same flight legally to sell widgets either for myself
or my employer.

Don't the FARs contain explicit language about demoing airplanes for
sale not requiring a commercial rating?

Not that that applies to my situation - the plane is sold, I'm just
delivering it to the buyer.

You are right and that same PPL aircraft salesman can deliver a plane.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net said:
Kloudy via AviationKB.com wrote:
Paul Tomblin wrote:
because it's a commercial operation,

Maybe he thinks

Sales = Commerce

?

I don't buy it. Are you saying if I sell a plane I own I can't take
it to the buyer or fly it somewhere for a buyer to to see it? I
could make the same flight legally to sell widgets either for myself
or my employer.

Don't the FARs contain explicit language about demoing airplanes for
sale not requiring a commercial rating?

Not that that applies to my situation - the plane is sold, I'm just
delivering it to the buyer.

You are right and that same PPL aircraft salesman can deliver a plane.


Unless the plane is own personally owned aircraft, a PPL has to have 200
hours logged to legally conduct a "demo" flight with a prospective buyer. As
for example a salesman.

I think delivering will still depend on wether the buyer specifically pays
for delivery, as opposed to being delivered for free.