BA 777 crash at Heathrow

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Big John wrote:

Pardon any misspelled words. Had out patient laser surgery and will
have a catheter and bag for next thee days (

Did it go well?

Hope you have a speedy recovery.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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D Ramapriya wrote in news:35d049b5-4987-4d4a-b006-
:

On Jan 18, 5:11 pm, Thomas Borchert
wrote:
D,

But this wasn't a normal landing.
The 777 was reportedly circa 500 ft
when the pilot noticed that the engine wasn't responding to greater
power.

Reported by whom? How on earth would you know? Have you thought to ask
yourself why professional accident investigations tend to take months,
even years? We know exactly nothing about what you claim to be fact.
The AIB will issue an inital report in 48 hours. That will be our first
clue. An "airport worker talked to the pilot..."? Bah, humbug!

My Q is that once it was known that power was off,

WE DO NOT KNOW THAT!


Sky News reported that as information it had from the Captain himself.



Sky News is almost as full of **** as Fox.

Well it would be since it's owned by the same person.

Let me guess, they made it "Breaking news" for about 12 hours, right?



Bertie

At least that long!

Yesterday morning, this discussion thread was already running; and, at
dinner time, at least one of the "all news" television channels was still
running the same crap over and over as a "developing story."

Peter

wrote:
On Jan 18, 6:25 am, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
What the heck happened? Fuel starvation? Doesn't sound like wind shear could have been an issue.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...30291_apbritai...
BBC America reported a second hand report that the pilot said that all
power was loss.


Here's a link I found that may give some insight... From my side, I'm
just glad that everyone made it off the plane okay.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...3-22365773.htm

Yes, it is great that nobody was hurt. I see the engines for R-R so
that keeps the investigation close to home also. I have to admit that
I've become a more nervous airline passenger as modern airplanes have
become even more computer controlled. I never should have started out
with a CS degree! :-)

Matt

Big John wrote in
:

Bertie

------------------long clip-----------------------

I have time in C-130, C-121 and C-141 but nothing in the modern Jet
transport airliners. Weren't around when I retired.



Wouldn't be that much different from teh 141, I wouldn't think.

Want to thank you for the Tech data you gave in basic post that I
clipped to save space.

I ask lots of questions and learn something new every day.

What bird do you normally fly or are you multiple currently qualified?


Flying the 757 at the moment and current on widebody (non FBW) busses
though I haven't flown one in a couple of years now.
I know a few guys that flew the 141 out of McGuire.


Bertie

"Peter Dohm" wrote in
:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
D Ramapriya wrote in
news:35d049b5-4987-4d4a-b006-
:

On Jan 18, 5:11 pm, Thomas Borchert
wrote:
D,

But this wasn't a normal landing.
The 777 was reportedly circa 500 ft
when the pilot noticed that the engine wasn't responding to
greater power.

Reported by whom? How on earth would you know? Have you thought to
ask yourself why professional accident investigations tend to take
months, even years? We know exactly nothing about what you claim to
be fact. The AIB will issue an inital report in 48 hours. That will
be our first clue. An "airport worker talked to the pilot..."? Bah,
humbug!

My Q is that once it was known that power was off,

WE DO NOT KNOW THAT!


Sky News reported that as information it had from the Captain
himself.



Sky News is almost as full of **** as Fox.

Well it would be since it's owned by the same person.

Let me guess, they made it "Breaking news" for about 12 hours, right?



Bertie

At least that long!

Yesterday morning, this discussion thread was already running; and, at
dinner time, at least one of the "all news" television channels was
still running the same crap over and over as a "developing story."


I get to see it all the time in Europe. Often it's the only english
language channel. That and CNN.If I'm stuck in my hotel room ( because I
have no money and am afraid of getting picked up for vagrancy) i get to
see hurricanes inch themselves across the carribean hourly...

Bertie


Bertie

Matt Whiting wrote in
:

wrote:
On Jan 18, 6:25 am, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
What the heck happened? Fuel starvation? Doesn't sound like wind
shear could have been an issue.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...130291_apbrita
i...
BBC America reported a second hand report that the pilot said that
all power was loss.


Here's a link I found that may give some insight... From my side, I'm
just glad that everyone made it off the plane okay.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...-0013-22365773
.htm

Yes, it is great that nobody was hurt. I see the engines for R-R so
that keeps the investigation close to home also. I have to admit that
I've become a more nervous airline passenger as modern airplanes have
become even more computer controlled. I never should have started out
with a CS degree! :-)


Well, RR engines are crap anyway. I've flown them on two types. They;re
needlessly complicated, labor intensive to maintain and they leak oil
everywhere,including into the cabin.
The failure rate is low, however.. I haven't yet flown anything that
doesn't have manual reversion on the throttles, but most airplanes built in
the last ten years or so are straight FADEC.

Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
"Peter Dohm" wrote in
:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
D Ramapriya wrote in
news:35d049b5-4987-4d4a-b006-
:

On Jan 18, 5:11 pm, Thomas Borchert
wrote:
D,

But this wasn't a normal landing.
The 777 was reportedly circa 500 ft
when the pilot noticed that the engine wasn't responding to
greater power.

Reported by whom? How on earth would you know? Have you thought to
ask yourself why professional accident investigations tend to take
months, even years? We know exactly nothing about what you claim to
be fact. The AIB will issue an inital report in 48 hours. That will
be our first clue. An "airport worker talked to the pilot..."? Bah,
humbug!

My Q is that once it was known that power was off,

WE DO NOT KNOW THAT!


Sky News reported that as information it had from the Captain
himself.



Sky News is almost as full of **** as Fox.

Well it would be since it's owned by the same person.

Let me guess, they made it "Breaking news" for about 12 hours, right?



Bertie

At least that long!

Yesterday morning, this discussion thread was already running; and, at
dinner time, at least one of the "all news" television channels was
still running the same crap over and over as a "developing story."


I get to see it all the time in Europe. Often it's the only english
language channel. That and CNN.If I'm stuck in my hotel room ( because I
have no money and am afraid of getting picked up for vagrancy) i get to
see hurricanes inch themselves across the carribean hourly...

Bertie


Fortunately for me, I rarely have to watch TV, except for a little ESPN--and
that mostly while I am on a treadmill. However, yesterday I took the day to
drive to the LSA Expo at Sebring--which is less than 150 miles away. On the
way back, I decided that it was time to have a dinner of fried catfish
(about once every 5 to 10 years is about right and it had been about that
long) and the TV was playing in the restaurant. BTW, the catfish was very
good and was the best that I can recall.

For the most part, the LSAs are not quite ready for me, since I am 6'1" and
don't like to be squished or to have my view blocked. But, that's OK since
my budget isn't ready for them and I don't have any medical issues.
However, the intesting thing the I learned was that, at least in the case of
low wing aircraft, the ones that make the most use of carbon fiber have
about a 100 pound usefull load advantage over the ones that don't. In the
case of the LSAs, that works out to a 20 to 25% advantage in usefull load
and up to 40% in pay load--and those numbers may carry over to a lot of
standard category aircraft as well. That's huge!

Peter

"Peter Dohm" wrote in
:

BTW, the catfish was very good and was the best that I
can recall.

Never had it, beleive it or not! you have me wanting to try, though.


For the most part, the LSAs are not quite ready for me, since I am
6'1" and don't like to be squished or to have my view blocked. But,
that's OK since my budget isn't ready for them and I don't have any
medical issues. However, the intesting thing the I learned was that,
at least in the case of low wing aircraft, the ones that make the most
use of carbon fiber have about a 100 pound usefull load advantage over
the ones that don't. In the case of the LSAs, that works out to a 20
to 25% advantage in usefull load and up to 40% in pay load--and those
numbers may carry over to a lot of standard category aircraft as well.
That's huge!


OK, but of a non sequitor, but yeah, Good material.
Wait til nanotubes hit the scene!


Bertie

Big,

I'm sure all remember early airbus bird, that with the Company Pilot
and Airbus Wheels in it, made a slow low altitude pass over, I forget
just what they were having on the ground,and bird got behind the power
curve and sank into the trees and crashed. Red faces all over Airbus.


I'm sure most remember that was not at all what happened. Red faces all
over Air France when their hot shot demo pilot had a "Hey, watch this"
moment.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Blueskies,

Didn't look like much if any fuel was spilled,


Well, the AIB reports a lot of fuel being spilled.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)