Russian Military Technology

(Alejandro Magno)
Date: 1/4/2004 8:22 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(BUFDRVR) wrote in message
PAC III works fine, once again, our interest in Soviet military hardware is
to
study how to defeat it, not copy it. When's the last time you saw the
Soviets
or Russians produce something and then a very similar copy comes out in the
west? Never. I can't even count the western copied hardware in the Russian
military. Boy that Blackjack sure looks like a B-1B doesn't it?


See how "happy" Americans were bad mouthing Tu-160 Blackjack until the
poster in message 58 made a good comparison between them, few messages
later, the "happy" americans gave up. I do not want to repeat the same
conversation, see the results he
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/984847/posts

More he http://mustangman5.netfirms.com/rplanes.html
"That's the TU-160 Blackjack. It looks almost identical to the Western
B1A bomber. However, the blackjack is over 25% bigger than the B1A,
and can acheive the same speed, and a higher payload, you have to give
credit for that. The largest of everything is usually Russian"

Happy ?

Magno


The problem with speaking in absolutes as you have is it only takes one example
ot prove you wrong.

Biggest piston driven bomber = B-36

Biggest suspension bridge = in Japan

Biggest aircraft carrier = U.S. Navy

Geeze, make your point already.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

From: "Schelkunchik"

Are you a Parmalat employee? Maybe a Fiat employee?

That would explain all your free time.


Fiat = fix it again, Tony

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

B2431 wrote:

From: "Schelkunchik"

Are you a Parmalat employee? Maybe a Fiat employee?

That would explain all your free time.


Fiat = fix it again, Tony

Or "Feeble Italian Attempt at Transportation".
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Uzytkownik "Mary Shafer" napisal w wiadomosci
news
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 15:12:19 +0100, "JasiekS"
wrote:


From http://www.nobel.se/physics/laureates/1971/index.html

cite
The Nobel Prize in Physics 1971
"for his invention and development of the holographic method"
Dennis Gabor
United Kingdom
Imperial College London, United Kingdom
b. 1900 (in Budapest, Hungary)
d. 1979

/cite

Holographs aren't lasers. Charles Townes, et al, got the Nobel for
the maser in the '60s. They were American.

And Von Braun pointed out that he learned about rocketry from Robert
Goddard, the father of modern rocketry. Another American.

Mary, I don't want to underestimate US scientific potential appearing in
MANY Nobel prizes, inventions new ideas etc. Even if some of these
inventions were made by immigrants (naturalised or not); they might have no
possibility to make his inventions elsewhere. I prefere to think abut
progress as cumulated effort.

Rockets do not originate from Wernher von Braun or Robert Goddard (1926).
Somewhere on the road are plenty talented people from different nations like
Ciolkowsky (BTW of Polish descent; in Poland and Russia he is meant as
father of modern rocketry) with his fundamental work from 1903, Korolyev who
went from rocketplane (1939) to Vostoks, Jozef Bem (born 1794 died 1850;
Polish artillery general, who experimented with black powder powered rockets
and finally wrote tractat on them) but Chinese were loooong before!
Similar situation was with Wright brothers. They DID make (in my opinion)
the first controlled flight on powered heavier-than-air vehicle, but they DO
NOT lived in vacuum. They exchanged opinions with Langley and others, they
researched works by Cayley and others and they knew (I am sure) about
previous attempts.


Quick question, which is nothing to do with lasers or Nobels really:
Is it common in Poland to hear about the achievements of Poles who
succeed after leaving Poland for another country? I know Gabor is
Hungarian, so I'm not asking about him, but what about Pulaski, for
example?

Of course, we (Poles) keep record of all achievements made by Polish-born
worldwide. Pulaski and Kosciuszko are Polish and American heros. Jozef Bem
was Polish and Hungarian (1848 uprising) hero. Strzelecki explored Australia
(Mt Kosciuszko), Bronislaw Malinowski explored Triobriand Islands in Oceania
(his book 'Sex life of wild people' is one of best known), Ignacy Domeyko is
one of most famous Poles in South America etc., etc. Of course we did not
forget Pola Negri (vel Apolonia Chalupiec), Helena Modjeska (vel Helena
Modrzejewska), Maria Curie (Maria Sklodowska-Curie for Poles) etc. The last
lady made ALL her works in France, but we treat her Nobels as Polish ones. I
could write much more examples, but this is sufficient OT.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer


Regards
JasiekS
Warsaw, poland

(B2431) wrote
And the Russias were settled by Vikings, South Asians, Mongols, Poles...etc
What exactly is your point?
Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Vikings in Mother Russia ? You are completly right.

Some great references he

http://www.vikingposters.com/posters1.html
http://www.skrewdriver.net/worldindex.html


Magno

Andrew Chaplin wrote
Or "Feeble Italian Attempt at Transportation".

http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-browse_im...Id=878&lang=en

Funny ?

Magno

Alejandro Magno wrote:

Andrew Chaplin wrote
Or "Feeble Italian Attempt at Transportation".

http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-browse_im...Id=878&lang=en

Funny ?

A picture may be worth a thousand words but, without context, those
thousand words are just so much babble.

FIAT, by the way, has never built a vehicle that could function either
reliably or adequately in the Canadian winter without being cosseted,
that's why we see them as feeble.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Chad Irby wrote
You really know History very well, are you sure you went to school in
America ?
http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr25.htm
http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr32.htm
http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr40.htm
Thanks for refreshing my memory.

Man... quoting a Nazi site? You're just plain insane, dude.

O.K. If you do not like http://www.stormfront.org/, you can go to this
different site: http://www.white-history.com

http://www.white-history.com/hwr25.htm
http://www.white-history.com/hwr32.htm
http://www.white-history.com/hwr40.htm

Magno

Your choice of references says a lot about you, and from my perspective what
it says isn't very flattering.

Jarg

"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message
om...
Chad Irby wrote
You really know History very well, are you sure you went to school in
America ?
http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr25.htm
http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr32.htm
http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr40.htm
Thanks for refreshing my memory.

Man... quoting a Nazi site? You're just plain insane, dude.

O.K. If you do not like http://www.stormfront.org/, you can go to this
different site: http://www.white-history.com

http://www.white-history.com/hwr25.htm
http://www.white-history.com/hwr32.htm
http://www.white-history.com/hwr40.htm

Magno

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:36:28 +0100, "JasiekS" wrote:


Uzytkownik "Mary Shafer" napisal w wiadomosci
news
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 15:12:19 +0100, "JasiekS"
wrote:


From http://www.nobel.se/physics/laureates/1971/index.html

cite
The Nobel Prize in Physics 1971
"for his invention and development of the holographic method"
Dennis Gabor
United Kingdom
Imperial College London, United Kingdom
b. 1900 (in Budapest, Hungary)
d. 1979

/cite

Holographs aren't lasers. Charles Townes, et al, got the Nobel for
the maser in the '60s. They were American.

And Von Braun pointed out that he learned about rocketry from Robert
Goddard, the father of modern rocketry. Another American.

Mary, I don't want to underestimate US scientific potential appearing in
MANY Nobel prizes, inventions new ideas etc. Even if some of these
inventions were made by immigrants (naturalised or not); they might have no
possibility to make his inventions elsewhere. I prefere to think abut
progress as cumulated effort.

Rockets do not originate from Wernher von Braun or Robert Goddard (1926).
Somewhere on the road are plenty talented people from different nations like
Ciolkowsky (BTW of Polish descent; in Poland and Russia he is meant as
father of modern rocketry) with his fundamental work from 1903, Korolyev who
went from rocketplane (1939) to Vostoks, Jozef Bem (born 1794 died 1850;
Polish artillery general, who experimented with black powder powered rockets
and finally wrote tractat on them) but Chinese were loooong before!
Similar situation was with Wright brothers. They DID make (in my opinion)
the first controlled flight on powered heavier-than-air vehicle, but they DO
NOT lived in vacuum. They exchanged opinions with Langley and others, they
researched works by Cayley and others and they knew (I am sure) about
previous attempts.


Quick question, which is nothing to do with lasers or Nobels really:
Is it common in Poland to hear about the achievements of Poles who
succeed after leaving Poland for another country? I know Gabor is
Hungarian, so I'm not asking about him, but what about Pulaski, for
example?

Of course, we (Poles) keep record of all achievements made by Polish-born
worldwide. Pulaski and Kosciuszko are Polish and American heros. Jozef Bem
was Polish and Hungarian (1848 uprising) hero. Strzelecki explored Australia
(Mt Kosciuszko), Bronislaw Malinowski explored Triobriand Islands in Oceania
(his book 'Sex life of wild people' is one of best known), Ignacy Domeyko is
one of most famous Poles in South America etc., etc. Of course we did not
forget Pola Negri (vel Apolonia Chalupiec), Helena Modjeska (vel Helena
Modrzejewska), Maria Curie (Maria Sklodowska-Curie for Poles) etc. The last
lady made ALL her works in France, but we treat her Nobels as Polish ones. I
could write much more examples, but this is sufficient OT.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer


Regards
JasiekS
Warsaw, poland


Goddard developed the first liquid fueled rocket, which is
critical to space flight. Solid fueled rockets have severe
limitations.

Al Minyard