Record-setting young pilot dies at 26

On Mar 21, 4:26 pm, "Matt W. Barrow"
wrote:

Why bother?

Why? I suppose I have this notion that there's a rational human typing
some of these posts, but you've brought me back to reality.

Why bother, indeed.


Dan Mc

"Dan" wrote in message
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On Mar 21, 4:26 pm, "Matt W. Barrow"
wrote:

Why bother?

Why? I suppose I have this notion that there's a rational human typing
some of these posts, but you've brought me back to reality.

Why bother, indeed.


Dan Mc



All he asked was if you were a Psychiatrist or a Doctor and you never
answered, you played word games with him but you never answered.

Darkwing" theducksmail"AT wrote:
All he asked was if you were a Psychiatrist or a Doctor and you never
answered, you played word games with him but you never answered.



I might use a nom de plume on the internet but I never bull**** on what I do for
a living. Why bother?

Anybody who wants to know my real name needs only to email a question or comment
to me. I use my real name exclusively in email.

So we're back to the basic question: why be so coy about your profession?



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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message
...
Darkwing" theducksmail"AT wrote:
All he asked was if you were a Psychiatrist or a Doctor and you never
answered, you played word games with him but you never answered.



I might use a nom de plume on the internet but I never bull**** on what I
do for a living. Why bother?

Anybody who wants to know my real name needs only to email a question or
comment to me. I use my real name exclusively in email.

So we're back to the basic question: why be so coy about your profession?


Because a troll really doesn't give a ****?

On Mar 21, 6:54 pm, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
wrote:
Darkwing" theducksmail"AT wrote:
All he asked was if you were a Psychiatrist or a Doctor and you never
answered, you played word games with him but you never answered.

I might use a nom de plume on the internet but I never bull**** on what I do for
a living. Why bother?

Anybody who wants to know my real name needs only to email a question or comment
to me. I use my real name exclusively in email.

So we're back to the basic question: why be so coy about your profession?

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Did you read the thread?

There's no presumed, implied, or even hinted profession, only
reasonable responses.

His implication is that one must be a "doctor" to make any statements
about the known or unknown effects of anti-depressants.

If that's the case I need a vet to tell me he's full of crap.


Dan Mc

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:52:42 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote:

On Mar 20, 9:50 pm, WJRFlyBoy wrote:

2) that antidepressants are mere "un-depressors" and therefore
relatively benign.

Completely dependent on dosage, tolerances, pharmacology...

And never 100% predictable in effect, long or short term, or side
effects.

Dan Mc

Yes, which flies in the face of "antidepressants are mere
"un-depressors" and therefore relatively benign."
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Remove numbers for gmail and for God's sake it ain't "gee" either!
I hesitate to add to this discussion because I'm not an instructor,
just a rather slow student who's not qualified to give advice that
might kill someone.

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:43:45 -0400, Darkwing wrote:

"WJRFlyBoy" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:03:08 -0700, gatt wrote:

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in message
...

There lies the problem, if a commercial pilot was depressed but didn't
want to lose his job he would most likely continue flying depressed and
not tell anyone.

Or, "self medicate."

Smoking?

Alcohol is a good example.

Or both, nicotine has a history of self-medicating depressions.
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I hesitate to add to this discussion because I'm not an instructor,
just a rather slow student who's not qualified to give advice that
might kill someone.

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:11:51 -0700 (PDT), Phil J wrote:

It's a tough issue, and I can see both sides of it. I am glad that
there are studies underway to try to really determine whether or not
these drugs have effects relevant to flying. Given the social stigmas
about psychological problems, I suspect the FAA is a little more
likely to reject these drugs than other types of medication. What we
need is some objective studies so we know what we are really dealing
with.

Phil

Phil, scientifically, clinically qualified and controlled studies, with
citations, I don't see it happening. Sadly.
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I hesitate to add to this discussion because I'm not an instructor,
just a rather slow student who's not qualified to give advice that
might kill someone.

On Mar 21, 9:37 pm, WJRFlyBoy wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:52:42 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote:
On Mar 20, 9:50 pm, WJRFlyBoy wrote:

2) that antidepressants are mere "un-depressors" and therefore
relatively benign.

Completely dependent on dosage, tolerances, pharmacology...

And never 100% predictable in effect, long or short term, or side
effects.

Dan Mc

Yes, which flies in the face of "antidepressants are mere
"un-depressors" and therefore relatively benign."
--
Remove numbers for gmail and for God's sake it ain't "gee" either!
I hesitate to add to this discussion because I'm not an instructor,
just a rather slow student who's not qualified to give advice that
might kill someone.


Since you quoted (intentionally, certainly) out of context, I'll
clarify that I argued *against* the notion that "antidepressants are
mere "un-depressors" and therefore relatively benign."

You really are an absolute moron.


Dan Mc

On 2008-03-19 11:11:41 -0700, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com said:

Darkwing" theducksmail"AT wrote:
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
Story on Yahoo:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080318/...obit_van_meter

Very sad, you wonder if her record setting early life led to an unfulfilling
adult life, the downer after the high.


I sometimes wonder in situations like this if they were driven when they were
young to do record breaking things and the pressure lead to the depression.
However I suspect the real answer has to do with the chemistry of the brain and
that pressures and achievement probably didn't have that much to do with it.
It'd be instructive to look back through her family's history to see if
depression runs through their line.

That being said, I fully expect that her record breaking flights had more to do
with Momma and Papa's ambitions and dreams than anything she really wanted to
do. Just conjecture on my part....

Mama and Papa's ambitions and dreams sometimes have a tendency to
expand beyond all reasonable bounds. Attainment of some great
achievement only fuels the desire in some parents for even greater
conquests to hang in the parents' trophy rooms. Sooner or later a
child, who must always remain a child to such parents, realizes that
she will not only never be able to accomplish everything her parents
demand, but she will never become an adult with control over her own
life.

Raised from birth to believe that your only purpose in life is to
fulfill the goals your parents set for you, you eventually are faced
with a terrible choice: either you will never meet all these goals, or
you will meet them and be left with no more purpose in life. Either
way, you are left with no ability to set your own goals or make your
own choices, no sense of self-worth other than what your parents see in
you, and no future of your own making. This is the legacy of the overly
ambitious parent.

Interestingly, you can often see the same sort of thing in the children
of alcoholics. They also often grow up with an overly developed sense
of duty that leaves them with no ability to make decisions on their
own. Everything is measured against what will please their parents or,
later in life, someone or some organization that will substitute for
their parents. Eventually, the parents or the parent substitute will
fail them. Left with no definition of self, they sink into depression,
alcoholism, or even suicide.

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Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor