How much longer?

On Apr 4, 8:47*pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
With Avgas topping five bucks a gallon, I find myself asking: How much more
will it take before GA is completely unaffordable? * At what price point
will all the current "weekend pilots" be driven from the market?

Example: While on our trip back from Florida a couple of weeks ago, we paid
$5.20 per gallon in St. Louis. *Since we needed 60 gallons, we paid over
$300 for a single tank of gas -- something I *never* thought I'd see.

That price has more than doubled in just the last few years, and there
appears to be no end in sight. *So the question is: How much higher must gas
go up before *you* hang up your headphones for the last time? * Anyone care
to predict what year the last personal flights will occur in America?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

I just hung up mine... at least for the time being. I can no longer
afford to fly as a hobby.

Dean

"Alan" wrote ...
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
I will fly as long as there is air. Gasoline be damned.
I started without it and I'll finish withour if needs be.

You say you started without - how?
Even gliders seem to need tows.

Maybe he'll build an electric motor rope launch skid powered by wind
turbines.

"Dylan Smith" wrote ...
Much of the high energy cost people have [is] done by their own choice.

Hey, most of the DINKs (double income no kids) I know insist they really
need 4300 sq ft houses.

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:07:57 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:



An interesting question to ponder: At what price point do the masses rise up
and over-ride the environmentalist rules that currently restrict the
process?

At what level of soreness do you wake up and realize how hard the
petroleum economy is f***ing you?

--
Dan
T182T at 4R4

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:25:35 GMT, Matt Whiting

However, I've been looking at 182RGs

Terrific airplane.


I came very close to buying an Arrow last winter, but the owner is
asking way above Vref and so far refuses to deal so that one likely
won't happen. It is more nicely equipped than the 182 (the 182 has a
high time engine and no GPS, but has LORAN, a FD, S-TEC 60 AP and other
goodies). I prefer the 182 for the additional interior room, extra
door, extra speed, range, useful load and high wing, but the Arrow would
be more economical to operate and I believe the gear is less troublesome
than the Cessna singles

Not really. I never had a speck of trouble in 900 hours with a 172RG,
which has the same gear. Do proper maintenance (you'd do that anyway,
right?) and it will be fine.



and it really is a very nice Arrow inside and
out. But $98K for a 77 Arrow is just way above market at present and I
really don't think the market for GA singles is ever going to return so
paying above market today is almost certainly money thrown away.

Indeed. You should be able to make a great deal nowadays.

--
Dan
T182T at 4R4

Could have stopped 31 miles SSE at Festus and saved $60 while
supporting a small airport that's just trying to survive. Air Nav is
your friend.

Normally we would do something like that, Gene, but it was at the end of a
long day, in the midst of a long week of flying. We just wanted to be down
and stayin' put for the night....
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

An interesting question to ponder: At what price point do the masses rise
up and over-ride the environmentalist rules that currently restrict the
process?

whatever the price is: what will mankind do after that? you're only moving
the finding of a solution to later generations.

So....you're saying we should not look for more oil? Move the pain up
sooner? Leave the oil in the ground and force the collapse to happen
sooner?

I should think we'd be better off to not destroy our world economy. My
parents lived through the Great Depression, and it doesn't sound like
something to aspire to...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I just hung up mine... at least for the time being. I can no longer
afford to fly as a hobby.

I know, Dean. Yours was the impetus for my thread.

And you're not alone. I see an awful lot fewer folks at the airport
nowadays.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

At what level of soreness do you wake up and realize how hard the
petroleum economy is f***ing you?

Um, apropos of what, exactly?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

I, too, will always fly, no matter the cost. (Remember, you're talking
to a guy who sold his plasma for flight time)

I knew I was missing a revenue source! Thanks, Jay.

Let me see.....how many pints equals 1 hour of flight time?

Al
Spokane Wa
1964 Skyhawk