On Simulators as assist to IFR training.

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Mike Ash wrote:
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Speaking of which, I eventually decided that when they're doing that and
I need to start making calls, I'd just start making them, and too bad
about stepping on his transmission. (Flying a glider, I don't have a lot
of time in the pattern to wait for him to get done counting out the
individual parcels in his baggage compartment.) The way I figure it,
since he's 50 miles away, my transmission will be really weak down where
he is, so it won't interfere. And likewise, my transmission will
overpower his at my airport, so the people who need to hear me will hear
me.

The question I have for the group is this: does that actually make
sense, or am I just making up a load of baloney and messing with these
poor guys' radio calls?

Yeah, it is about right though a hetrodyne (the squeal from two people
at once) MIGHT be heard on the ground, but if you can't hear the ground
on the far end it is unlikely they will hear you.

Good point. Thanks!

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Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

Mxsmanic wrote:
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Nonsense, the aviation radio service is no more regulated ...

I said the aviation market, not the aviation radio service.

The aviation radio (i.e. what was being discussed) MARKET is not regulated
at all.

Radio equipment manufactured to be used in particular SERVICE (as
defined by the FCC) has to meet the techical standards of the SERVICE.


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Jim Pennino

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Mxsmanic wrote:
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Nonsense, the aviation radio service is no more regulated ...

I said the aviation market, not the aviation radio service.

The aviation radio (i.e. what was being discussed) MARKET is not regulated
at all.

I said the aviation market, not the aviation radio market.

If you feel compelled to criticize me, at least have the courtesy to criticize
what I actually write, rather than what you'd like to imagine that I've
written. This will save time for both of us.

Mxsmanic wrote:
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Mxsmanic wrote:
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Nonsense, the aviation radio service is no more regulated ...

I said the aviation market, not the aviation radio service.

The aviation radio (i.e. what was being discussed) MARKET is not regulated
at all.

I said the aviation market, not the aviation radio market.

RADIO was what was being discussed.

You seem to have problems with the concept of logical flow in discussions.



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Jim Pennino

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RADIO was what was being discussed.

But it isn't what I said, and there was a reason for that. I was referring to
aviation in general, not just aviation radio.

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Dave Doe writes:

In REALITY it is rare to hear that. If the readback is correct, nothing
needs to be said. If it's wrong, then a correction is in order.

In reality, I hear it all the time. It has been that way for decades.

On your simulator.

On what basis do you say "It would actually be something like "Readback
is correct."" ?

Sometimes it's "readback correct" (without "is").

Is that in your sim program, or actual real flight?

Both. Real-world controllers say it, computer-generated controllers in MSFS
say it, and VATSIM controllers say it.

No they don't. It's pretty damn rare actually, in real life. It maybe
that way in MSFS, but it's not that way in real ATC.

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Duncan

Mxsmanic wrote:
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RADIO was what was being discussed.

But it isn't what I said, and there was a reason for that. I was referring to
aviation in general, not just aviation radio.

You seem to have problems with logical flow in discussions.

Or are you deliberately try to obfuscate issues?


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Jim Pennino

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Clark writes:

Here's the simple explanation for you: things can be much more complicated
than you can imagine based on playing with the toy simulator.

Simulators can be a lot more complex than you seem to believe.

Dave Doe writes:

On your simulator.

On my simulator, and in real life.

No they don't. It's pretty damn rare actually, in real life. It maybe
that way in MSFS, but it's not that way in real ATC.

We must be listening to different controllers.

Clark writes:

Well aren't you just special. Now try it in real life.

The cockpit recordings _are_ real life.