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The F-22 and F-35 will give the US Military
absolute air dominance. Sorry that the facts interfere with your anti-US ravings. Anti US ? I guess you are underestimating US capabilities,two of the existing multistatic systems are "Made in USA". Apparently you have not much confidence in US capabilities !. |
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"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
news ![]() The USAF and the USMC/USN aircraft are, by a large margin, the best in the world. The rumored "multi-static" radars are vapor ware, and the "new" Russian aircraft are either simply rumors or prototypes that will never enter production. The F-22 and F-35 will give the US Military absolute air dominance. Well, what you apparently refuse to see is that there are plenty of Su-30-clones around _in service_ right now, but that the F-22 and the F-35 are still years away from being available to operational units. But, I guess this doesn't matter to you. If you consider that there are over 200 Su-27/30s supported by several AWACS in Chinese service alone right now, how do you think could the USAF and the USN help defend Taiwan - just for example - with two squadrons of F-15s (on Okinawa) and few squadrons of Hornets on the carrier based in Japan? Sorry that the facts interfere with your anti-US ravings. Yes, Al, very good: just continue adding fuel on fire of those that really hate the USA and consider the Americans for a bunch of ignorant and undereducated idiots. The Europe is full of such people, and they are all happy when they can read something like your post here - especially when somebody reacts in the way you do against people who live in the Europe. The problem is only that you've found yourself a wrong one - like usually in such cases: so now there are going to even more of those here who also think that most Americans can't even read properly... sigh... Tom Cooper Freelance Aviation Journalist & Historian Vienna, Austria ************************************************* Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php Iranian F-14 Tomcat Units in Combat http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...hp/title=S7875 Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...hp/title=S6585 African MiGs http://www.acig.org/afmig/ Arab MiG-19 & MiG-21 Units in Combat http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...=S6550~ser=COM ************************************************* |
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![]() "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... If you want to bang someone over the head, look in the freakin' mirror and do a better job of wordsmithing--as a self-aggrandizing "freelance aviation journalist" you should be able to communicate your thoughts in an intelligible manner. Sigh...seems that with my signature is your only problem here... or what, Kevin? Tom Cooper Freelance Aviation Journalist & Historian Vienna, Austria ************************************************* Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php Iranian F-14 Tomcat Units in Combat http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...hp/title=S7875 Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...hp/title=S6585 African MiGs http://www.acig.org/afmig/ Arab MiG-19 & MiG-21 Units in Combat http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...=S6550~ser=COM ************************************************* |
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![]() "Tom Cooper" wrote in message ... "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... If you want to bang someone over the head, look in the freakin' mirror and do a better job of wordsmithing--as a self-aggrandizing "freelance aviation journalist" you should be able to communicate your thoughts in an intelligible manner. Sigh...seems that with my signature is your only problem here... or what, Kevin? How cute! Sigh...? Typical--you make bold-faced statements, whether through very poor wording or not, and then try and claim you did not make them, and then trump it all by snipping the part of the response you don't like. Sad. Brooks Tom Cooper |
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![]() "Tom Cooper" wrote If you consider that there are over 200 Su-27/30s supported by several AWACS in Chinese service alone right now, how do you think could the USAF and the USN help defend Taiwan - just for example - with two squadrons of F-15s (on Okinawa) and few squadrons of Hornets on the carrier based in Japan? I should think that the 200 or so Taiwanese F-16's and Mirages would want a part of that. Pete |
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![]() "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... "Tom Cooper" wrote in message ... "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... If you want to bang someone over the head, look in the freakin' mirror and do a better job of wordsmithing--as a self-aggrandizing "freelance aviation journalist" you should be able to communicate your thoughts in an intelligible manner. Sigh...seems that with my signature is your only problem here... or what, Kevin? How cute! Sigh...? Typical--you make bold-faced statements, whether through very poor wording or not, and then try and claim you did not make them, and then trump it all by snipping the part of the response you don't like. Sad. So, it is my signature after all, Kevin? ;-))) Thanks a lot for confirmation - otherwise you wouldn't come babbling about "bold-faced" statements, then I don't know where have I posted such. BTW, I don't remember to be in a need some kind of special permission from you for what I'm doing - here or anywhere else - and I have also not misunderstood this NG for some courtroom. So, I'm telling it again: go and find yourself somebody else to play - or keep on playing with yourself. I'm not the least interested. Tom Cooper Freelance Aviation Journalist & Historian Vienna, Austria ************************************************* Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php Iranian F-14 Tomcat Units in Combat http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...hp/title=S7875 Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...hp/title=S6585 African MiGs http://www.acig.org/afmig/ Arab MiG-19 & MiG-21 Units in Combat http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...=S6550~ser=COM ************************************************* |
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![]() "Pete" wrote in message ... "Tom Cooper" wrote If you consider that there are over 200 Su-27/30s supported by several AWACS in Chinese service alone right now, how do you think could the USAF and the USN help defend Taiwan - just for example - with two squadrons of F-15s (on Okinawa) and few squadrons of Hornets on the carrier based in Japan? I should think that the 200 or so Taiwanese F-16's and Mirages would want a part of that. Super: now the ROCAF should be fighting to establish air superiority for the USAF and the USN? What an argument... But, if we're talking about "mine is bigger than yours": by the time the first F-22s are going to enter service there are going to be over 400 Su-27/30s in China, plus some 300 J-10s, JF-17s and similar animals. In an environment where nothing short of at least a 1:6 exchange ratio would be needed, but where anything beyond 1:3 is actually unlikely (at least according to calculations based on current data), not a very brilliant prospect. But OK; feel yourself as "winners": obviously warning about such matters is considered here as "anti-US", so I guess somebody has first to hit the wall head-on... (it wouldn't be the first time, but at least that functions for sure). Tom Cooper Freelance Aviation Journalist & Historian Vienna, Austria ************************************************* Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php Iranian F-14 Tomcat Units in Combat http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...hp/title=S7875 Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...hp/title=S6585 African MiGs http://www.acig.org/afmig/ Arab MiG-19 & MiG-21 Units in Combat http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...=S6550~ser=COM ************************************************* |
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![]() "Tom Cooper" wrote i Super: now the ROCAF should be fighting to establish air superiority for the USAF and the USN? What an argument... No, they should be fighting for their own territory. Unless you think the USAF and USN should be able to go it alone, everywhere around the globe at the same time. Pete |
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![]() "Tom Cooper" wrote in message news ![]() "Pete" wrote in message ... "Tom Cooper" wrote If you consider that there are over 200 Su-27/30s supported by several AWACS in Chinese service alone right now, how do you think could the USAF and the USN help defend Taiwan - just for example - with two squadrons of F-15s (on Okinawa) and few squadrons of Hornets on the carrier based in Japan? I should think that the 200 or so Taiwanese F-16's and Mirages would want a part of that. Super: now the ROCAF should be fighting to establish air superiority for the USAF and the USN? That statement is even more preposterous than your assertion that the USN is involved in redefining the air-to-air arena to support fielding of the F/A-22. The ROCAF would, if the US became involved, be fighting the same enemy in the same geographical area, and you can bet it would be in coordination with US assets. That you have chosen to completely disregard the contribution of the ROCAF may be convenient for your agenda, but it is a ludicrous oversight. What an argument... But, if we're talking about "mine is bigger than yours": by the time the first F-22s are going to enter service there are going to be over 400 Su-27/30s in China, Let's see, the first F/A-22's have already entered into their operational test and eval phase, and the 1st TFW is scheduled to get their first birds in the 2005-06 timeframe IIRC. The PLAAF has, from what I have seen on the sinodefence.com site, some 120 total Su-27/30 variants in service now (out of a total of some 175 on order) from Russia and some 200 in the construction pipeline in the PRC, and indicates that it is expected some 48 aircraft will be added to the 120 number in service by 2006--it would appear that your timeline may be a little off, unless you think all of those 200 or so domestic production examples will be completed over the next year or two (and then they's still have to order another 25 or so Russian built aircraft just to meet your four hundred figure, much less acheive "over 400"). plus some 300 J-10s, JF-17s and similar animals. What?! You actually think they are going to field that number of J-10's and FC-1/JF-17's over the next couple of years? Holy crap, Batman--the FC-1 just had its maiden rollout last year (and is intended to meet export market requirements--no indication yet it will enter into PLAAF service)! The J-10 has been a pretty slow program--last I heard they were still dicking around with which engine to mount in it, and there is some doubt as to whether or not it will *ever* enter into major frontline service with either PLAN or PLAAF units in anything other than nominal numbers. In an environment where nothing short of at least a 1:6 exchange ratio would be needed, but where anything beyond 1:3 is actually unlikely (at least according to calculations based on current data), not a very brilliant prospect. If the aforementioned numbers are representative of your "data", then excuse me for not buying into the validity of your assertion (which also discounts PLAAF losses due to ADA, SAM, and interdiction efforts, I presume). But OK; feel yourself as "winners": obviously warning about such matters is considered here as "anti-US", so I guess somebody has first to hit the wall head-on... (it wouldn't be the first time, but at least that functions for sure). You have to be able to present a credible case--you have fallen far short thus far. Merely playing Chicken Little, without a decent set of supporting data, is not going to get you too far. Brooks Tom Cooper |
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![]() "Tom Cooper" wrote in message ... "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... "Tom Cooper" wrote in message ... "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... If you want to bang someone over the head, look in the freakin' mirror and do a better job of wordsmithing--as a self-aggrandizing "freelance aviation journalist" you should be able to communicate your thoughts in an intelligible manner. Sigh...seems that with my signature is your only problem here... or what, Kevin? How cute! Sigh...? Typical--you make bold-faced statements, whether through very poor wording or not, and then try and claim you did not make them, and then trump it all by snipping the part of the response you don't like. Sad. So, it is my signature after all, Kevin? ;-))) Thanks a lot for confirmation - otherwise you wouldn't come babbling about "bold-faced" statements, then I don't know where have I posted such. BTW, I don't remember to be in a need some kind of special permission from you for what I'm doing - here or anywhere else - and I have also not misunderstood this NG for some courtroom. So, I'm telling it again: go and find yourself somebody else to play - or keep on playing with yourself. I'm not the least interested. Having just read the baseless hype you dumped on Pete about the PRC fielding some six hundred new advanced aircraft over the next year or two, I'd say you have your own hands full enough right now. Brooks Tom Cooper |
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