DUI's and flying?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:1D3yb.153952$Dw6.618565@attbi_s02...
Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

Harsh, I know -- but here's how I figure this.

1. In younger days, I drove under the influence too many times myself.
2. I am not a "knee-jerk prohibitionist" when it comes to alcohol. At 45,
I
still occasionally drive home after a few beers. Anyone who goes to a bar
with friends does, too.

Not true. I go out to the bar with friends but we all take a cab to the bar
and take cab's home. It costs $5 to $30.00 each way. Idd rather pay that
then face court time, attorney's fees, evaluations, fines, loss of license,
loss of job, embarrassment, killing someone, ect.



The question is how much do you want to spend? $5,000 for dui or $30.00 for
a cab or if your to far away from home get have some one drop you off at a
motel and take a cab from there. If you cannot afford a cab or motel then
you should not be drinking. I don't feel sorry anyone that has got a DUI it
is there fault for making the drive don't drive decision. I my self will
take the lowest cost method.

On 30 Nov 2003 06:42:39 GMT, (Part86) wrote:

If you can even think, yet alone utter that sentence, you probably
will be unwilling to make the necessary sacrifices.

What does that mean?

What it means is that you've got to have more determination than the
sentence suggests in order to get through the rough spots of flight
training.

I was disillusioned at least once in basic flight training, once in
cross countries, and three times during test prep, all points where
the only thing that got me past them was my Missouri ancestry. Put
another way, I was too stubborn to quit.

You make this a goal, you're going to have to see it through no matter
how your passion for it waxes or wanes.

Rob

"Well, maybe not *can't*, but I've never seen anybody who did more than stop
for one beer do it. The .08 limit seems to be more of an arbitrary limit
that has more to do with how much and often you drink than how it affects
your ability to function. The guy I used to ride with was probably at a
constant level well over .1, but you'd never know it without smelling his
breath. I never saw him noticeably drunk. Not saying that's a good thing. He
was killing his body, but he was a safe and competent driver and he never
got a single DUI."

Quoted from several messages back.

Try a little harder next time.

mike regish

"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message
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Um, already did essentially that, in the message you're responding
to. See that quote up there?
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That's one I've never heard. What state?

mike regish

"Part86" wrote in message
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Another thing to point out is that after you have one dui there is
absolutely
NO tolerance as far as blood alcohol level goes. You can't have ANY
alcohol in
your blood not .001 or its another dui.

This is another reason someone with multiple duis may not be an alcoholic.
A
lot of second dui arrests occur the next morning from the residual alcohol
left
in the blood stream. Again, I'm not supporting drinking and driving just
showing that 1+1 doesn't always equal 2 in this case, and there are MANY
multiple dui offenders who aren't sunstance abusers.

Well, I'm from Mass. There are ocassional coffee pots, but not often. I can
honestly say that in all my years of bar hopping, I've never seen anybody
drinking tea. And most of the people drinking coffee or soda are recovering
alcoholics who can't give up the bar life.

mike regish

"Rob Perkins" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:16:53 GMT, "mike regish"
wrote:

You don't have to do a damned thing. People who go to bars to drink tea
belong in teahouses. Don't know where you're from, but if you asked for
tea
in an American bar, you'd probably get beat up.

Don't know where _you're_ from, but every bar in America I've ever
been to has been remarkably accommodating to guys like me who never
order alcohol.

Rob

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:37:26 GMT, Martin Hotze
wrote:

Hey! NOW we are ON TOPIC. Flying and chicks! *hehe*

It takes an awful lot of high quality feed before chicks are large
enough to kill and eat. Doesn't seem like motivation enough to get a
pilot's license to *me*.

;-)

Rob

Not true. I go out to the bar with friends but we all take a cab to the
bar
and take cab's home. It costs $5 to $30.00 each way. Idd rather pay that
then face court time, attorney's fees, evaluations, fines, loss of
license,
loss of job, embarrassment, killing someone, ect.

If I feel impaired, I do just that.

However, unlike my in long-past college days, I no longer drink "for
effect"... Nowadays I would rather have three really good beers, than ten
really cheap beers.

However, I'm not sure if the .08 Iowa blood alcohol limit would allow me to
feel impaired. I suppose that's a valid question I should be asking, and
testing. Anyone got a breath-alyzer I can borrow :-)?

(I can just see this one: "Honest, Mary -- I'm drinking for *science*!")
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

mike regish wrote:

And you noticed the vast majority of patrons in those bars doing the same
thing, right?

Of course not, but the people at *my* table usually behaved in roughly the same
way.

Seems to me that the difference between you and me in this matter is that I like
to drink. Drinking to you, however, is simply an unavoidable process you have to
go through to get drunk.

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

Part86 wrote:

your right I did misuse it. I wasn't lured into the crime although I was
specifically profiled in order to obtain a desired arrest and conviction
without showing signs of driving impaired.

If you actually were over the limit, you have no idea whether or not you were
showing signs of driving impaired.

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

"Part86" wrote in message
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because legally, police aren't supposed to do this.

Why not?

It is frowned upon,

I can believe that. But people usually frown upon actions that get them
into trouble. No big surprise there.

but
more importantly, it presents more of a legal problem for prosecution when
it
goes to court and has a likely chance of being thrown out.

How so? I see no legality that would get a DUI case thrown out of court
just because a police officer was waiting for a drunk person to come out of
a bar and then get into a car.

If the officer pulled over the person *solely* because they saw that person
come out of a bar, that's one thing (and probably is illegal). But
presumably, an office would note other signs of inebriation in the suspect,
while they are walking to their car, when they try to unlock the car, as
they start it, and then finally as they drive off. Those are all solid
reasons for an arrest, regardless of where the officer was sitting or where
the suspect was when they first saw the suspect.

Pete