Help Our UAL Friends

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:33:10 GMT, "sfb" wrote:

Aren't you ignoring that part of history where the Federal and many
states enacted labor laws? The unions aren't the only protection the
employee has. Overtime after forty hours is a Federal Law.

Another republican!

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:44:15 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:


"Jon A" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:32:13 -0400, Bob Noel
wrote:

In article , Jon A

wrote:

Unions are there to protect the working class

true.

What prevents unions from abusing the workers or the company?

Unfortunately, the workers themselves must hold the union management
to task. Doesn't work in some instances which seems to be a
commonality within the human race - - - greed!

Millions and millions of jobs have left this country due to union
mis-management and greed. For some reason the unions don't mention that
fact.

Greed on whose part? Are you saying you'll pay $75 for your shirts
rather than $4.99 at Wal Mart? We're all in the same boat, bunky.
Management's job is to find ways to make this work.

"Jon A" wrote in message
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Ones that would be allowed to proliferate if no unions were present.
How about 14 hour work days with no breaks for starters?


Are you saying that without unions we'd have 14 hour work days with no
breaks? Even if that was so, how would it be unfair?



I really don't believe that someone who is as learned as you appear to be
would
ask that question.


How else can I know what you believe are unfair management practices?



Check a history book if you want to know more.


Do you know of any history books that agree with your position?

"Jon A" wrote in message
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Another republican!


Are you using "republican" as a synonym of "informed"? You seem to be.

"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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Look further and you will find a once great airline that was more or
less
taken over by hotel people and run into the ground.
Also notice that huge (then) golden parachute that one CEO got
when they let him go.
Also notice how they raided the IAM employees overfunded
pension fund for cash to buy another hotel chain.
...and on and on and on.

Proctor and Gamble runs airlines and hotel chains?


For Christ sake, the subject is (was) UAL!
Pay attention. But thanks anyway for the good lead in
to something that has had me ****ed for over 20 years.

Pay attention yourself; the issue under discussion is HOW the situation came
about.

If you can't handle abstractions (that decidedly and distinctive human
characteristic) then start a sub-thread.

Also, how long has it been since the union owned UAL?

In article ,
"John T" wrote:

Montblack wrote:

The company has an obligation to provide benefits and has to fund
the plan to provide for those benefits.

Agreed - however on the back end, not the front end based on outmoded
projections.

Why does the company have an *obligation* to provide benefits?


If they offer benefits as one of the benefits of your working for them,
rather than for a competitor, then renege on the deal after so many
years, you would have a pretty good reason to be upset.

"Jon A" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:33:10 GMT, "sfb" wrote:

Aren't you ignoring that part of history where the Federal and many
states enacted labor laws? The unions aren't the only protection the
employee has. Overtime after forty hours is a Federal Law.

Another republican!

Thank goodness!!

"Jon A" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:44:15 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:


"Jon A" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:32:13 -0400, Bob Noel
wrote:

In article , Jon A

wrote:

Unions are there to protect the working class

true.

What prevents unions from abusing the workers or the company?

Unfortunately, the workers themselves must hold the union management
to task. Doesn't work in some instances which seems to be a
commonality within the human race - - - greed!

Millions and millions of jobs have left this country due to union
mis-management and greed. For some reason the unions don't mention that
fact.

Greed on whose part? Are you saying you'll pay $75 for your shirts
rather than $4.99 at Wal Mart? We're all in the same boat, bunky.
Management's job is to find ways to make this work.

I believe I said greed on the part of unions.
And the solution is to move union manufacturing jobs out of country.
Take a look at union membership numbers for the past 30 years.

Unions are there to protect the working class

Like teachers?


--
Matt

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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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In article ,
"John T" wrote:

Why does the company have an *obligation* to provide benefits?


If they offer benefits as one of the benefits of your working for them,
rather than for a competitor, then renege on the deal after so many
years, you would have a pretty good reason to be upset.

And a very good reason to go work for their competitor.

(Not to mention start your own business and give yourself infinite benefits)

--
Matt

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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO