Jet Crew: Reverse Thrusters Failed in Chicago - Washington Post

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote

Ah, you guys are pussies. The fellows at Midway didn't have a tailhook or
net
to contain them. G

Although, it could be said that they might have benefited from one.

I wonder why someone never got wise to using that "crushable concrete" stuff
in the over-run area to catch the overly long landing? cost, I suppose.
I'll bet the family of the dead 6-year-old would like a chance to buy some
of that stuff for them.
--
Jim in NC

macklin comes off as a "heavy iron" wannabe that never made it.

back to your tinker toys "capt"..........LOL

"Ron Lee" wrote in message ...
Bob Moore wrote:
Then again.we former Naval Aviators received a bit better training in
controlling approach speed and touchdown point than the average pilot.
:-)

Bob Moore

As passengers we usually know when a Naval Aviator lands.

Ron Lee

Not land...arrive!

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message

If I remember correctly, the 727 had a series of landing
accidents because the full flap setting was about 50-60
degrees and if the pilot got too slow, they could not
recover. Maximum extension was reduced.
Looking on the Internet, I found a further limitation for
couple approaches with certain autopilots. Is there any
early 727 pilot out there with the facts on the first 727
and any changes in certification re flaps?

I never heard of any 727 with 50-60 flaps. [caveat: Ihave no training or
experience in very early models] 40 is the max I've ever heard of, and at
many carriers 30 was the max in normal operations. 40 flaps when relatively
heavy required a fair chunk of power on the final approach. There were
early sink-rate accidents related, as Bob pointed out, to operating
procedures. Procedures were changed, leading into the era where the
stabilized approach is considered standard. As explained to me years ago,
the early 727s were flown by many pilots transitioning from large radial
powered propeller craft, who essentially tried to fly the 727 in similar
ways, trying to take advantage of the 727's clean wing and remarkable
ability to descend. It didn't work I don't really know if this explanation
is accurate, but it sounds plausible. But the approach accidents were
related to sink rate and engine spool-up time. Results would have been
similar at 30 flaps because it was the way the airplane was being flown that
was the problem, not the configuration. The 727 will come down like an
elevator if you ask it nicely.

"Bob Moore" wrote in message

.....I flew PanAm's shuttle B-727's into LGA and DCA a couple of
times a day for quite some time...never had a problem.

I agree. LGA and DCA are 2 of just a few places left where you [sometimes]
actually have to fly the airplane. I looked forward to it.

Jim Macklin wrote:
It would make Mayor Daley happy, a reason to close another
airport.

Daley is a classic machine politician. Anything that upsets the "little man" is
not something he would like. Midway is very popular with inner-city people going
on vacation. There's no way Daley could portray it as a playtoy of the rich.
Until all of that changes, Daley will work hard to keep Midway open.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in message

There was a mechanic at my local flight school, he used to fly for the
airlines but lost his medical, he said the 727 was a bitch to land well.

Some might say so, but I wouldn't speak of her that way. A sometimes
humbling airplane that often displayed some unexpected personality, she
would never let an ego get too big. Of course, the F/As always would
evaluate, and if the landing involved, shall we say, "noticeable Gs", the
cockpit door might open during rollout, and a roll of toilet paper come
flying in - the "Golden Roll Award". Message received! :-)

My mistake-Spinup and strut compressionon th RT. and spinup only on th
LT.

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:P7onf.28527$QW2.24044@dukeread08...
That's right, I'll have to slap myself with a wet noodle or
stick the Flying Fickle Finger of Fate where the sun don't
shine or whatever.

Or Ruth Buzzie will beat the **** out of you with her purse.

It was a fun TV show, too bad it is only on re-runs.



I know why I said Marty, Back To the Future was on the
other day. Marty McFly [spelling, who cares].


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
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| That's right, I'll have to slap myself with a wet noodle
or
| stick the Flying Fickle Finger of Fate where the sun
don't
| shine or whatever.
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| Or Ruth Buzzie will beat the **** out of you with her
purse.
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