Busted TFR, what to expect?

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:32:45 -0600, Newps wrote:

Cheney comes to Billings every August
from Jackson on AF2, he then hops on the Blackhawk or Chinook and flies
to Fort Smith for some trout fishing on the world famous Bighorn River.

on taxpayers expenses? or has he to pay for the flight and all the stuff
for himself?

If he is not on "official business", he has to pay for it himself. However,
as with most things political (and not unique to the US), there's always a
loophole. If he combines the trip with something he claims to be "official
business", then the government pays.

Obviously, when he travels, he does his best to come up with some excuse to
be where he's going on "official business". For example, during a recent
fund-raising trip here in the Seattle area, he squeezed in a brief meeting
with some other officials, causing the taxpayers to pay a couple hundred
grand for him to raise another half million or so (I forget the exact
numbers, but those are in the ballpark). He basically doubled his profits
by spending a few hours downtown.

Cheney, of course, is not alone in this habit. Pretty much any politician
to whom the loophole is available takes advantage of it.

The thing I love most about your posts is that you spend so much time being
critical of the US and its government, as if your own government were
perfect or even free of the very problems you love to focus on. Oh, and of
course, the complete lack of aviation-related content in any of your posts.
That's great too.

The irony is overpowering at times. Are things really so hopeless in your
own country that you've given up trying to express yourself with respect to
there?

Pete

On Thu, 25 May 2006 12:57:14 -0700, Peter Duniho wrote:

Are things really so hopeless in your
own country

au contraire.

#m
--
Lost the phone number of a good friend? Don't know whom the kids called?
Don't worry any longer! Call 1-800-2NSA ... we are here to help you!

No one around to update the AWOS. That happens only once in a great
while. The weather part of the AWOS is talked automatically by machine,
so no one HAS to be there to update it. The "other" part of AWOS is
usually updated by someone like the airport manager, who doesn't want
to mess with it except every few months.

Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.

I call FSS on my cell phone on the way to the airport every single time.

Paul

"Morgans" wrote in message
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I've often wondered why they do not use AWOS. It would take all of 5 or
10 seconds to announce a NOTAM, or at least tell of one's existence.

It would take well over 10 seconds to describe just one NOTAM of any
complexity, never mind all of the NOTAMs that might be applicable to a
flight within radio range of the AWOS. And noting a NOTAM's existence
without describing it isn't useful...there are always NOTAMs.

Yes, checking before departure is a "good thing" but there are always
NOTAM's that pop up while you are in the air.

That possibility does always exist, yes. But it's a relatively infrequent
occurrence. Nearly all of the time, a NOTAM that might become effective
during the flight is published prior to the commencement of the flight, even
if only by hours.

But even if NOTAMs appearing after one departs but becoming effective prior
to one landing was anything other than the very remote possibility it is
now, there's no practical way to disseminate all applicable NOTAMs via
frequencies already in use, such as AWOS, ATIS, automated UNICOMs, or ATC
frequencies.

Pete

On Thu, 25 May 2006 14:17:38 -0000, wrote:

In rec.aviation.misc Jon A wrote:
Your punishment is to go dove hunting with Cheney next year. That'll
teach ya!

I'd rather go dove hunting with Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy!

That's after the second busted TFR.

It's a basic part of the preflight actions. I also spend a good 15-20
minutes walking around my airplane before every flight

I do a thorough pre-flight inspection before every flight. Every control
surface is checked for continuity, all four gas tanks are visually
inspected, oil is checked, wheel pants are given a tug, prop is examined,
stall indicator movement verified, every screw, bolt and connector is
visually inspected...

I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article ,
wrote:

Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.

I call FSS on my cell phone on the way to the airport every single time.


hehe I did that in Florida with my Alaska cell phone. The briefer in
the AFSS in Kenai, Alaska was only slightly more confused than I was
when I asked for a brief for a flight in Florida. G

In article hQsdg.3183$No1.816@attbi_s71,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

It's a basic part of the preflight actions. I also spend a good 15-20
minutes walking around my airplane before every flight

I do a thorough pre-flight inspection before every flight. Every control
surface is checked for continuity, all four gas tanks are visually
inspected, oil is checked, wheel pants are given a tug, prop is examined,
stall indicator movement verified, every screw, bolt and connector is
visually inspected...

I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not?

Check nav lights and rotating beacon

Check electric fuel pump

Check flap operation

Sample fuel from each tank and from the gascalator

Touch everything inspected (not just look at it but touch it - how
can you tell a nut is loose just by looking?).

Alternator belt is checked for freeplay

Inspect tires and brakes (including exposed lines)

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

"Peter Duniho" wrote

But even if NOTAMs appearing after one departs but becoming effective
prior to one landing was anything other than the very remote possibility
it is now, there's no practical way to disseminate all applicable NOTAMs
via frequencies already in use, such as AWOS, ATIS, automated UNICOMs, or
ATC frequencies.

I was thinking of something along the lines of a quick description, such as
" --- centered on ---" then, "tune to blah blah blah for further
information."

If you had already done your homework, then the quick description would tell
you already knew about it, then you could ignore the tuning somewhere else
part. If it was something new that you were not aware of, then you could
check it out.

Just another idea. It does seem like some people do their best to find out,
but due to delays, or time to get to the airport, or pop ups, they still get
caught.

Granted, it is a much higher percentage of busted notices, because of total
failure to attempt to get the information.
--
Jim in NC