If user fees go into effect I'm done

Peter R. wrote:


As a self-employed individual who lives in another fouled up state (New
York), I totally share your pain. Family health insurance in these parts is
about 1,300/month, unless one wants to flirt with very large deductibles -
something I am currently doing.


Sounds like Hillary should be in charge of the entire Unitede States
seeing as how she's done such a great job with health care in New York.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:57:37 -0800, ktbr wrote
(in article ):

Peter R. wrote:


As a self-employed individual who lives in another fouled up state (New
York), I totally share your pain. Family health insurance in these parts is
about 1,300/month, unless one wants to flirt with very large deductibles -
something I am currently doing.


Sounds like Hillary should be in charge of the entire Unitede States
seeing as how she's done such a great job with health care in New York.

What has she had to do with health care in New York? Wouldn't that be the
work of the governor and the state legislature?

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote:

Sounds like Hillary should be in charge of the entire Unitede States
seeing as how she's done such a great job with health care in New York.


What has she had to do with health care in New York? Wouldn't that be the
work of the governor and the state legislature?


99.9% of Americans would not have been confused by my tongue in cheek
comment.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:05:59 -0800, Peter R. wrote
(in article ) :

On 2/11/2007 9:21:53 PM, C J Campbell wrote:

For myself, things have gotten so fouled up that I can no longer get medical
insurance in the state of Washington. Thanks to Mike Lowrie's insurance
'reforms,' there are NO medical insurers willing to cover anyone who does
not
work for a big corporation. Group Health and one or two others might do it
for big deductibles and premiums approaching $1000 a month. I am sick of
fighting taxing authorities, insurance companies, and everyone else who has
a
hand out. When I die, what the feds don't take, the state will seize the
rest. So it is all for nothing. With problems like that, user fees are just
another gnat sting. Foo.

As a self-employed individual who lives in another fouled up state (New
York), I totally share your pain. Family health insurance in these parts is
about 1,300/month, unless one wants to flirt with very large deductibles -
something I am currently doing.

I am convinced that many full time W2 employees (salaried or hourly
employees) don't realize what a real benefit health insurance really is. It
literally adds about US $15,000 / year or more to one's total compensation
package.



Now comes Arnold who wants to force everyone in California to buy health
insurance, even if the state has to garnishee their wages and put them in a
high risk insurance pool. I would like to see how that works out for the
millions of retired folks, families living on minimum wage, illegal aliens,
homeless street people, uninsured vacationers and business persons from other
states, and just plain poor people living in California. Maybe Arnold plans
to cover them with the proceeds from his next movie. Or maybe he will
'terminate' them.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote:
Now comes Arnold who wants to force everyone in California to buy
health
insurance, even if the state has to garnishee their wages and put them in a
high risk insurance pool. I would like to see how that works out for the
millions of retired folks, families living on minimum wage, illegal aliens,
homeless street people, uninsured vacationers and business persons from other
states, and just plain poor people living in California. Maybe Arnold plans
to cover them with the proceeds from his next movie. Or maybe he will
'terminate' them.


People are required to have automobile insurance on their cars and
no one bitches about that. When it comes to paying for their own
medical care I guess they think someone else should pay for it.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:08:15 -0800, kontiki wrote
(in article ):

C J Campbell wrote:
Now comes Arnold who wants to force everyone in California to buy
health
insurance, even if the state has to garnishee their wages and put them in a
high risk insurance pool. I would like to see how that works out for the
millions of retired folks, families living on minimum wage, illegal aliens,
homeless street people, uninsured vacationers and business persons from
other
states, and just plain poor people living in California. Maybe Arnold plans
to cover them with the proceeds from his next movie. Or maybe he will
'terminate' them.


People are required to have automobile insurance on their cars and
no one bitches about that. When it comes to paying for their own
medical care I guess they think someone else should pay for it.

Apparently so. Since California hospitals are not allowed to refuse medical
care on the basis of whether the patient can pay, especially.

No one is required to drive a car. Plenty of people, even in California,
manage to live without an automobile. They don't have to have automobile
insurance.

Actually, plenty of people gripe about mandatory automobile insurance.

People who are too poor to buy auto insurance either do without (and drive
anyway -- so what has the law accomplished?) or they obey the law and don't
drive, probably making them less productive and less able to get a better
paying job.

What I want to see is the reality check when California discovers that person
making $7.50 an hour might not be able to pay $1300 a month for health
insurance for himself and his family, even if they take all of his wages away
from him.

Perhaps, if California wants everyone to have the finest health care
available at any price, it should be prepared to face up to the real cost of
doing that instead of passing the buck to the insurance companies and the
uninsurable.

The reason I cannot get health insurance in Washington is because my premiums
have to cover all those who are too poor or who are unwilling to buy
insurance or pay for their own care. My premiums even have to cover those who
move into the state with pre-existing conditions and who go to work for
government or big business who have subsidized (by me) premiums. Insurance
companies cannot deal with mandated coverage with no premiums to pay for it,
so they have all left the state. Really, the whole mess here is a thinly
disguised plan to benefit Democrat constituencies such as unions at taxpayer
expense while depriving Republican constituencies such as the self-employed
of basic services like health care. And I don't see things changing with our
current government. More than likely, they will figure out how to make sure
those who contribute to Democrat causes and issues will be allowed to have
food while the self-employed and other groups deemed to be too Republican
will be lined up and shot.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

In article ,
kontiki wrote:

People are required to have automobile insurance on their cars and
no one bitches about that. When it comes to paying for their own
medical care I guess they think someone else should pay for it.

Even in Taxachusetts, people are only required to have insurance to cover losses
for OTHERS (not your own car).

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

kontiki writes:

People are required to have automobile insurance on their cars and
no one bitches about that.

Having an automobile is optional; getting sick is not. An automobile can
damage people and property; a disease cannot. Automobile insurance usually
costs less than $1300 a month, and most fender benders cost less than $40,000;
medical costs, however, are much higher.

When it comes to paying for their own
medical care I guess they think someone else should pay for it.

In principle, the rate of illness for everyone is just about the same, so if
everyone pays for it, it should work out just fine. The problems arise when
greed and corruption enter the game.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

"C J Campbell" wrote

Now comes Arnold who wants to force everyone in California to buy health
insurance, even if the state has to garnishee their wages and put them in
a
high risk insurance pool. I would like to see how that works out for the
millions of retired folks, families living on minimum wage, illegal
aliens,
homeless street people, uninsured vacationers and business persons from
other
states, and just plain poor people living in California.

Well, you do realize that about half of your medical bills (perhaps more)
are there to pay for the people that do not pay their bills.

I don't know if his plan will work, or what the answer is, but there has to
be a way to get unpaid medical bills in check.
--
Jim in NC

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:17:29 -0800, Morgans wrote
(in article ):


"C J Campbell" wrote

Now comes Arnold who wants to force everyone in California to buy health
insurance, even if the state has to garnishee their wages and put them in
a
high risk insurance pool. I would like to see how that works out for the
millions of retired folks, families living on minimum wage, illegal
aliens,
homeless street people, uninsured vacationers and business persons from
other
states, and just plain poor people living in California.

Well, you do realize that about half of your medical bills (perhaps more)
are there to pay for the people that do not pay their bills.

I don't know if his plan will work, or what the answer is, but there has to
be a way to get unpaid medical bills in check.


Oh, absolutely. I just want to see what happens when California tries to
garnishee 150% of somebody's paycheck, multiplied millions of times. I
especially want to see them try to force a homeless wino in San Francisco to
buy health insurance. Yes, Sir. It ought to be real comic entertainment,
except that, like Marvin, I fear that this will all end in tears.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor