Do you have to solo to get current?

On 3/8/2007 9:32:58 AM, C J Campbell wrote:

Actually, what the regs say is that you cannot act as PIC in an airplane
carrying passengers if you have not made the three takeoffs and landings
and/or your medical is not current. Whether you log PIC is another matter
entirely, having almost nothing to do with acting as PIC. Instructors giving
instruction, for example, always log PIC even if they are not allowed to act
as PIC.

The regs also say that anyone who is not a required crewmember is a
passenger.

I haven't seen this one, which one is it? I think that would clarify a great
deal.


So, unless you both are required crewmembers, the pilot who is not acting PIC
is a passenger. A safety pilot on an instrument training flight would be a
required crewmember. An instructor giving instruction would be a required
crewmember.





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Skidder

Need we get any more evidence that lawyers should not be pilots?

It seems clear to most of us that if you're going to get current
without an instructor you're allowed only to put yourself at risk, not
a passenger who might also be a pilot. Remember, the reg applies to
those who have not done 3 take off and landings in the last 90 days.
Suppose, for example, neither of these PP who are rated fpr SEL have
not flown for the last 23 months and want to get ready for their next
BFI. The regulations are intended to prevent one idiot from killing
more than just himself. Why would one argue that it should be other
than that?




On Mar 8, 1:25 pm, "Skidder" wrote:
On 3/8/2007 9:32:58 AM, C J Campbell wrote:

Actually, what the regs say is that you cannot act as PIC in an airplane
carrying passengers if you have not made the three takeoffs and landings
and/or your medical is not current. Whether you log PIC is another matter
entirely, having almost nothing to do with acting as PIC. Instructors giving
instruction, for example, always log PIC even if they are not allowed to act
as PIC.

The regs also say that anyone who is not a required crewmember is a
passenger.

I haven't seen this one, which one is it? I think that would clarify a great
deal.



So, unless you both are required crewmembers, the pilot who is not acting PIC
is a passenger. A safety pilot on an instrument training flight would be a
required crewmember. An instructor giving instruction would be a required
crewmember.

--
Skidder

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:25:35 -0800, Skidder wrote
(in article ):

On 3/8/2007 9:32:58 AM, C J Campbell wrote:

Actually, what the regs say is that you cannot act as PIC in an airplane
carrying passengers if you have not made the three takeoffs and landings
and/or your medical is not current. Whether you log PIC is another matter
entirely, having almost nothing to do with acting as PIC. Instructors
giving
instruction, for example, always log PIC even if they are not allowed to
act
as PIC.

The regs also say that anyone who is not a required crewmember is a
passenger.

I haven't seen this one, which one is it? I think that would clarify a great
deal.


Well, as Bob pointed out, it might be anyone who is not a crewmember,
passenger not being specifically defined for the purposes of part 91
operations. A flight attendant, for example, is certainly not a passenger,
whether a flight attendant is required for the flight or not.

However, part 121.583 and 135.85 give examples of other persons who might not
be considered 'passengers,' although I think the FAA would have a problem
with you doing your currency takeoffs and landings with hazardous cargo and a
person required to handle it on board. :-)

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Is Skidder... Maximo (Mxsmaic) in drag?
I have not seen him in this tread..

Bye
BT

"Skidder" wrote in message
...
As we all know, you can't carry a passenger unless you are current. But if
two pilots get in an aircraft with dual controls, can either of them
really
be considered a passenger? You can log PIC from either seat.

Lets say, I have a PPL but am not current. My best friend has a PPL but is
not current. Both of us have a current medical? Is it legal for both of us
to
get in an aircraft with dual controls, at the same time, shoot 6 take offs
and landings, 3 each, and log ourselves as current and split the flying
time
in our logs?

Would be both absolutely have to have a current medical?

He is an attorney and says the way he reads the regs, that it's not
exactly
clear. I myself don't know, but thought the group might enjoy debating the
question.

Along the same lines, if a PPL *is* current. Can he go for insurance check
ride with an instructor that is not, or doesn't have a current medilcal?


--
Skidder

"BT" wrote in message
...
Is Skidder... Maximo (Mxsmaic) in drag?
I have not seen him in this tread..

If not, I would propose that we have another troll amongst us, and that
everyone should take notice, and "govern themselves accordingly."
--
Jim in NC

On 3/8/2007 8:39:07 PM, "BT" wrote:
Is Skidder... Maximo (Mxsmaic) in drag?
I have not seen him in this tread..

Bye
BT

On 3/8/2007 9:25:55 PM, "Morgans" wrote:
If not, I would propose that we have another troll amongst us, and that
everyone should take notice, and "govern themselves accordingly."


Why on earth would either of you two say such a thing. I have done nothing to
irritate or insult anyone, and I have certainly not said anything to, or
about either of you.

You two are the ones trolling now. If you don't wish to participate in the
discussion, you certainly don't have to. But you have no right to attempt
starting a flame war in hopes of ending the thread.

--
Skidder

Skidder wrote:
On 3/8/2007 8:39:07 PM, "BT" wrote:
Is Skidder... Maximo (Mxsmaic) in drag?
I have not seen him in this tread..

Bye
BT

On 3/8/2007 9:25:55 PM, "Morgans" wrote:
If not, I would propose that we have another troll amongst us, and
that everyone should take notice, and "govern themselves
accordingly."


Why on earth would either of you two say such a thing. I have done
nothing to irritate or insult anyone, and I have certainly not said
anything to, or about either of you.

You two are the ones trolling now. If you don't wish to participate
in the discussion, you certainly don't have to. But you have no right
to attempt starting a flame war in hopes of ending the thread.

You have done exactly what MX has done in the past. Ask a reasonable
question then agrue with virtually everyone that answers you.

On 3/9/2007 11:57:41 AM, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrote:
Skidder wrote:
On 3/8/2007 8:39:07 PM, "BT" wrote:
Is Skidder... Maximo (Mxsmaic) in drag?
I have not seen him in this tread..

Bye
BT

On 3/8/2007 9:25:55 PM, "Morgans" wrote:
If not, I would propose that we have another troll amongst us, and
that everyone should take notice, and "govern themselves
accordingly."


Why on earth would either of you two say such a thing. I have done
nothing to irritate or insult anyone, and I have certainly not said
anything to, or about either of you.

You two are the ones trolling now. If you don't wish to participate
in the discussion, you certainly don't have to. But you have no right
to attempt starting a flame war in hopes of ending the thread.

You have done exactly what MX has done in the past. Ask a reasonable
question then agrue with virtually everyone that answers you.



Again. You're the one trolling now, you're the one trying to provoke a
response. If you don't want to participate in the discussion, don't do so.

--
Skidder