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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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I think the old manual Mooneys were pretty easy to get wrong as
well.
there was one at Montgomeryville that kneeled down at the pumps
when
someone who was looking for the parking brake undid the handle.
Never
flew one, but there's some sort of collar that can be slid away
and alows the selector handle or lock handle to move and unlock?


Bertie
Kind of spoils the whole mood for the flight :-)))

Yeah, I think the prop was vertical as well, just to add injury to
insult.


Bertie

Ouch!! At least when this happens you get a new found bounce in
your step with all that weight out of your wallet that was there
before it happened.
:-)

Actually, I know it was vertical. The line boy who was pushing it
from the pumps nearly had his toe taken off by the prop. It was the
only Mooney based at Montgomeryville at the time. Only one I know of
anyway. I remeber it was a wooden wing airplane. Always liked the
look of it. I still have a pic of myself next to it, somewhere.

When the pins are in in an airliner, maintenance will happily move
the handle inside the flight deck. I was broken down away from base
with a ruptured main actuator that needed replacement and rigging.
They needed us out at the airplane because none of them were cleared
for engine runs and they needed the power form the engine driven
pumps to do the job ( actually they needed a special precision pump
that could move the gear actuator precisely, but they didn;t have
one) Not a nice feeling seeing that handle move on the ground. They
didn't fix it and we all retired to the rathskeller.



Bertie
Do you mean Hi Line when you say Montgomeryville or Turner?

Hi Line? Must have been before my time. The one that wan't turner. the
one on 309.It was just called Montgomeryville for as long as I knew it.



Bertie

That was Hi Line. Right where 202 and 309 met. I managed that field for
a while. We had a light tower right in front of the office shack. Don't
know where the name Hi Line came from; probably from Ed Size, the guy
who owned the field when I was there. I believe he bought it from Vito
Bruzas. Lou Cristaldi and I were the CFI's there at the time. Right
before Buddy Turner went into the ridge.
I'll bet you and I were within a few months of knowing each other :-)

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Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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buttman wrote:
On Mar 22, 1:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
But I've never retracted the gear
on an airplane.

jejehjehjehejhehjjeheh fjukkwjit. A self proclaimed master of gear
systems, yet never retracted a single airplane's landing gear. Talk
about making idiotic statements.
I believe he meant "on the ground". It's sort of a deductive reasoning
thing :-)



He's a regular Inspector Clousseau.



Bertie

It's unbelievable he doesn't like us. We're such lovable people :-)

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Dudley Henriques

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Dudley Henriques wrote:

buttman wrote:
On Mar 22, 1:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
But I've never retracted the gear
on an airplane.


jejehjehjehejhehjjeheh fjukkwjit. A self proclaimed master of gear
systems, yet never retracted a single airplane's landing gear. Talk
about making idiotic statements.

I believe he meant "on the ground". It's sort of a deductive reasoning
thing :-)

i wonder about someone who doesnt realize the distinction

arf meow arf - i dont like squishy
i think i hit a wookie on the expressway
nobody could do that much decoupage
without calling on the powers of darkness

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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buttman wrote:
On Mar 22, 1:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
But I've never retracted the gear
on an airplane.

jejehjehjehejhehjjeheh fjukkwjit. A self proclaimed master of gear
systems, yet never retracted a single airplane's landing gear. Talk
about making idiotic statements.
I believe he meant "on the ground". It's sort of a deductive
reasoning
thing :-)



He's a regular Inspector Clousseau.



Bertie

It's unbelievable he doesn't like us. We're such lovable people :-)


I, myself , am a cupcake.

Bertie

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But not in the before takeoff checks.
It appears in every retactable during the cockpit safety inspection
( your preflight begins with this, though it is not partitioned)
And often before engine start as a precaution. Never seen it in the
before takeoff checks.. You'd probably already know it wasnt down
at that point.


Bertie

Yeah. That scraping sound as you try to taxi into position is a dead
giveaway :-))

Heh heh. there's an apocryphal story about a DH Comet that landed
wheels up and they didn't realize it until they found that even full
power wouldn't move the airplane..

There was an Electra at Shannon, Ireland a few years back that tried
to land wheels up and went around after having lost three engines ( I
think it was number 1 that kept going) they managed to get around the
pattern and land. That one is true. I've seen the airplane.

Bertie

Lucky guys.


Yeah, they just forgot. I forget how they got around the gear horn.
Might have been u/s or maybe the system is primitive and can be defeaed
by, say, a high power setting or something. I doremember reading that
they had had a very long night.


Bertie

Speaking of long nights, did you catch the news the other night about
the two line pilots falling asleep and overshooting their destination on
one of the Hawaiian Islands? Apparently they were all coupled up on
cruise and went right through the VOR null. ATC woke them up going
outbound on the reciprocal. I missed on how far out they got, but one
things' for sure. There wasn't much in front of them to land on and they
were supposedly fueled up for the short haul.
Unbelievable :-)))))

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That was Hi Line. Right where 202 and 309 met.

That's the place. neverheard it called high line, though. Vito was part
owner when I was there which must have been a few years later. The line
up was Vern Moyer, Henry "Dutch" Gronendahl, Vito and Ron Gruver. Vito
did a lot of my instruction. He was kind of scary to me, and the
necceisty for him to pick up his left hand with his right to put it on
the throttle when he took control was pretty exciting. We never dared
ask, but the rumour around the field was that he was injured in a
banner towing accident.

I managed that field for
a while. We had a light tower right in front of the office shack.

Yeah, myself and another airpoert brat, who now commands a 777 for AA,
climbed up it one night after everyone had gone.

Don't
know where the name Hi Line came from; probably from Ed Size, the guy
who owned the field when I was there. I believe he bought it from Vito
Bruzas. Lou Cristaldi and I were the CFI's there at the time. Right
before Buddy Turner went into the ridge.
I'll bet you and I were within a few months of knowing each other :-)

Maybe. I would have started there in the late sixties. I had been flying
at PGC before that. I vaguely remember a guy named Lou who flew the CAP
T-34 a lot. Might be the guy you mention, but I never had him for an
instructor. Ed Size I never heard of. Vern has an operation at Easton
now., Dutch married big money and I think Vito is still alive.
somewhere.


Bertie

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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buttman wrote:
On Mar 22, 1:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
But I've never retracted the gear
on an airplane.
jejehjehjehejhehjjeheh fjukkwjit. A self proclaimed master of gear
systems, yet never retracted a single airplane's landing gear. Talk
about making idiotic statements.
I believe he meant "on the ground". It's sort of a deductive
reasoning
thing :-)


He's a regular Inspector Clousseau.



Bertie
It's unbelievable he doesn't like us. We're such lovable people :-)


I, myself , am a cupcake.

Bertie

...and I of course am a harmless lovable fuzzball.

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Dudley Henriques

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i wonder about someone who doesnt realize the distinction

oh we don't wonder about him at all.


Bertie

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Why would you need a gear check for takeoff?


Corporate pilot picks up the newly painted and upholsterd Aero
Commander
and didn't check the gear switch.

About half way down the runway (where the bump was) the gear
sucks
up
and the newly painted belly scapes for a while, but the thing
gets
airborne.

Once around the pattern and back to the shop for new belly skin
and
more paint.

That's why a gear check for takeoff.



Nope, that;'s why a cockpit safety inspection.

Semantics.


No, seperate checklist.

From the C172RG checklist in the POH:

Section 1, item 2. Landing Gear Lever -- DOWN

In the pre takeoff checks?

In the POH I have (1981) it has a section called "checklist
procedures".

It then has:

preflight inspection
before starting engine
starting engine
before takeoff
takeoff
etc.

"Landing Gear Lever -- DOWN" appears in both preflight inspection and
before starting engine.



But not in the before takeoff checks.
It appears in every retactable during the cockpit safety inspection (
your preflight begins with this, though it is not partitioned) And often
before engine start as a precaution. Never seen it in the before takeoff
checks.. You'd probably already know it wasnt down at that point.

Semantics.

The 172RG has a single checklist you are supposed to perform before
each flight.

There is nothing called anything near "cockpit safety inspection"
anywhere in it.

YMMV with other POH's.


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Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Speaking of long nights, did you catch the news the other night about
the two line pilots falling asleep and overshooting their destination
on
one of the Hawaiian Islands? Apparently they were all coupled up on
cruise and went right through the VOR null. ATC woke them up going
outbound on the reciprocal. I missed on how far out they got, but one
things' for sure. There wasn't much in front of them to land on and
they
were supposedly fueled up for the short haul.
Unbelievable :-)))))


Oh completely believable!
BTW, we don't use VORs anymore except to update the inertial stuff, if
even that. If we fly to a VOR it could just as well be any other
waypoint in the box for the nav value it's providing. Spooky eh?
The both guys falling asleep is enough of an issue that they have alarms
in the flight deck that go off if you don't play with something for over
15 minutes. Best thing to do if you're both feeling dozy is for one guy
to get very uncomfortable and the other to take a 15 minute nap. Our
human factors training even gives advice on how to power nap and my
company condones the practice. The alternative is uncontroled microsleep
( when your head nods for a few seocnds and you wake up again abruptly)
which is completely beyond even the most determined person's control and
is very dangerous if it;'s happening on approach.


Bertie