Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.

"Ragnar" wrote in message ...

Yes, oh. Lots of the chems were never accounted for after the Gulf War.
And some keeps coming back even today, like in artillery shells used as
IEDs.


According to the UN, 500 mustard gas shells remained unaccounted for.
Not 'lots' in a military sense.

What is your justification in your use of the plural in 'artillery s
hells used as IEDs.'? Willful exaggeration or wistful thinking
since the one Arain trap used was ineffective.


Based on previous posts, its obvious to me that you never read the offical
report from Kay. Perhaps you could look up the part where he said the
Iraqis weren't in compliance with UN resolutions and had programs still
running even after the inspections.


Perhaps you should read again what he cited as 'evidence'.


So let me try again......if you
can't believe the President's own man, who do you believe? How about
answering
THAT question, if you don't mind.

I DO believe Mr Kay. Iraq DID have illegal programs in place despite UN
resolutions. Now, why do YOU not believe Mr Kay? It seems your position is
at odds with his now.


....

Let me begin by saying, we were almost all wrong,
and I certainly include myself here.

Sen. [Edward] Kennedy knows very directly. Senator
Kennedy and I talked on several occasions prior to
the war that my view was that the best evidence that
I had seen was that Iraq indeed had weapons of mass
destruction.

I would also point out that many governments that
chose not to support this war -- certainly, the
French president, [Jacques] Chirac, as I recall
in April of last year, referred to Iraq's possession
of WMD.

The Germans certainly -- the intelligence service
believed that there were WMD.

It turns out that we were all wrong, probably in
my judgment, and that is most disturbing.

....

Former top U.S. weapons inspector David Kay in testimony
Wednesday, January 28, 2004 before the Senate Armed
Services Committee

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FF

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ...

Those Congressmen sure must be stupid to fail to recognize what they're supposed
to do before young Americans in uniform are placed in harm's way.


Gutless, I daresay is more apt.

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FF

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net...
"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
...

You mean like FDR?

Pardon me if I don't quite understand, but wasn't throwing innocent
Japanese
citizens into internment camps en masse, simply because of their race, a
far
larger example of 'trashing the bill of rights' than anything Bush has
allegedly done? Why did you not protest this?

I didn't because I wasn't born yet. What's your excuse?

What about FDR's attempts to
bypass and overthrow the judicial branch altogether?

Didn't even come close. Lincoln and Jackson defied the USSC and got
away with it. If you want to know why I didn't object, see above.



No, throwing innocent Japanese citizens into internment camps was not
trashing the Bill of Rights, and it wasn't done because of their race it was
done because they were enemy nationals. It was also done with German and
Italian nationals. All countries do this in time of war, what else can they
do? You can't have enemy nationals freely roaming about the nation.

You can repatriate them to their nation of origin.


What FDR did that was completely wrong was the internment of US citizens of
Japanese, German, and Italian descent.


Unless I am very much mistaken, few if any US citizens of Itallian or
German descent were interned in the US just because of their ancestry.

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FF

As you evidently have forgotten we fought a war against our former
ally and Poppa Bush's, Ronald Reagan's and Rumsfeld's good buddy
Saddam Hussein and destroyed his remaining stockpiles of chemical
weapons and his production facilites.

Let me add only a couple of things:
1)SH is one of the most senior US operatives in this region,since 1959
precisely
2)Current US hand picked Iraqi leader is also an US operative,but he is a
freshman in comparison with SH.
3)Current US hand picked Iraqi leader is also the Chief of "Sammar" tribe.
4) "Sammar" tribe was responsible for the safety and protection of SH sons Uday
and Quasay after the fall of SH.
5) I guess everbody remembers what happened to Saddams sons.

I do recall Clinton attacking AL Queada assets in the Sudan and in
Afghanistan. I also recall the attacks beign widely condemned
by Repubicans. Good thing he kept it a secret that he had
rescinded Carter's ban on assasination and marked Bin Laden for
death. The Republicans might have added that to the articles of
impeachment...


I dont recall the attacks being condemned. There were those who had ideas it
was to distract from his current problems, but I dont think anyone found fault
with the attacks themselves.


Ron
PA-31T Cheyenne II
Maharashtra Weather Modification Program
Pune, India

"tscottme" wrote in message ...
"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...



I guess Clinton never planned on attacking a nation that never threatened
the
U.S. based on WMD that they never had.


And by cutting CIA by 1/3 Clinton didn't allow us to detect AQ preparing to
attack the US.

It was the Bush admininstration that removed bin Laden from a list
of threats to the US.

It was the Bush administration that shelved a Clinton Administration
reccomendation to impliment tighter airline security.

It is the Bush administartion that still has not identified the
persons who manipulated airline stock prior to the Sept 11, 2001
attack.

Asscraft's decision to divert the focus of the DOJ from National
Defense to an anti-porn campaign scheduled to kick off in Mid September
2001 didn't help either.

BTW, just in case you watch Fox news you need to be informed that
B. Clinton is not the president of the United States and no Clintons
are running in the 2004 Presidential election.

Aside from which, the plot WAS detected, along with a plethora of
other plots, real or not.

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FF

From: (Fred the Red Shirt)
Date: 7/11/2004 2:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:


It was the Bush admininstration that removed bin Laden from a list
of threats to the US.

It was the Bush administration that shelved a Clinton Administration
reccomendation to impliment tighter airline security.


Sources??

Ron
PA-31T Cheyenne II
Maharashtra Weather Modification Program
Pune, India

by Repubicans. Good thing he kept it a secret that he had
rescinded Carter's ban on assasination and marked Bin Laden for
death. The Republicans might have added that to the articles of
impeachment...

Mr.OBL marked for death by US president,was speaking to a station chief of an
US Gov't agency at the American Hospital of Dubai in July 2001.
This was reported in European press,in meantime confirmed by Israeli,French
and various Arab sources and never denied by any US gov't instutition or
agency.

Everbody remembers USS Maine or Pearl Harbor but who remembers (aborted)
"Operation Northwoods"?

From: (Fred the Red Shirt)
Date: 7/11/2004 12:59 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Ragnar" wrote in message
...

Now Art shows his lack of credibility. Even the UN admits that
Iraq
had
loads of WMD.

.....in the '80s.

...

And you still don't know the difference between a program and a weapon.

Riiiight. And I suppose Saddam dropped a "program" on the Kurds and
Iranians.

In the 1980's he attacked Iran in an unprovoked war of aggression
and the Reagan administration provided him with satellite recon data.
In the 1980's he used Chemical Weapons made from precursor chmicals
imported from the US against Iran and Reagan sent the US Navy into
the Persian Gulf to protect his shipping. In the 1980s He used
chemical weapons against the Kurds and the reagan administration loaned
him nearly 2 billion dollars.

Funny, those pictures and medical reports sure looked like nerve
and mustard gas. Guess them "programs" are dangerous after all.


As noted above, in the 1980's.

As you evidently have forgotten we fought a war against our former
ally and Poppa Bush's, Ronald Reagan's and Rumsfeld's good buddy
Saddam Hussein and destroyed his remaining stockpiles of chemical
weapons and his production facilites.

You're as bad at history, as Baby Bush is with geography.

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FF

So the sarin filled artillery shells found by the Poles don't exist? I'm not
saying Saddam had an active program, but please don't say it was all destroyed.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Asscraft's decision to divert the focus of the DOJ from National
Defense to an anti-porn campaign scheduled to kick off in Mid September
2001 didn't help either.

Good post.

The headline on the day before 9/11 was that Rumsfeld was unhappy that enough
money was not being allocated for missile defense.


Bush is a miserable failure and he has to go.

Walt