Fly tight for tight bomb patterns on the ground.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: the moron, was Fly tight for tight bomb patterns on the
ground.
From: Robert Briggs UCKET
Date: 8/26/2004 10:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Howard Berkowitz wrote:

Those survivors accounted for the bombs that were loaded aboard Art's
plane.

Again, I'll ask about the overall wartime contribution of someone
clearly not on the pointy end, Constance Babington-Smith. If her name
is unfamiliar, that should be corrected. Or on the very very pointy
end, Noor Inayat Khan or Virgina Hall or Sydney Cotton. Or back at
the ranch, Kelly Johnsom and Barnes Wallis.

And I *do* wonder how much chance Art would have stood without, for
example, the erks who maintained those noisy fan thingies hanging
from Willie's wings ...


I love the guys that maintained the noisy fan thingies that hung from
Willies
wings.
But we went to war. They didn'lt.

Really? Odd in that they seem to have been serving at the same airfields you
were based at, overseas in a time of war--if that is not "going to war",
then one wonders just what kind of strange criteria you apply to that
phrase.

They were all great, everyone of them. We
couldn't have done without them. But they were not of the band of
brothers.
Band of Brothers in the original Henry V context as well as the 101st AB
meant
those who fought the enemy. No one else is included.
And that means you.

Those maintainers who died in the various theaters of operation during the
conflict, sometimes indeed as casualties due to enemy action, seem to point
once again to the fallacy of your odd sense of perception.

Brooks




Arthur Kramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: the moron, was Fly tight for tight bomb patterns on the
ground.
From: Robert Briggs UCKET
Date: 8/26/2004 10:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Howard Berkowitz wrote:

Those survivors accounted for the bombs that were loaded aboard Art's
plane.

Again, I'll ask about the overall wartime contribution of someone
clearly not on the pointy end, Constance Babington-Smith. If her name
is unfamiliar, that should be corrected. Or on the very very pointy
end, Noor Inayat Khan or Virgina Hall or Sydney Cotton. Or back at
the ranch, Kelly Johnsom and Barnes Wallis.

And I *do* wonder how much chance Art would have stood without, for
example, the erks who maintained those noisy fan thingies hanging
from Willie's wings ...


I love the guys that maintained the noisy fan thingies that hung from
Willies
wings.
But we went to war. They didn'lt. They were all great, everyone of them.
We
couldn't have done without them. But they were not of the band of
brothers.
Band of Brothers in the original Henry V context as well as the 101st AB
meant
those who fought the enemy. No one else is included.
And that means you.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


A quick question. I assume you volunteered for the air force - you weren't
drafted, were you?

In message , ArtKramr
writes
Subject: the moron, was Fly tight for tight bomb patterns on the
ground.
From: Robert Briggs UCKET
Date: 8/26/2004 10:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Howard Berkowitz wrote:

Those survivors accounted for the bombs that were loaded aboard Art's
plane.

Again, I'll ask about the overall wartime contribution of someone
clearly not on the pointy end, Constance Babington-Smith. If her name
is unfamiliar, that should be corrected. Or on the very very pointy
end, Noor Inayat Khan or Virgina Hall or Sydney Cotton. Or back at
the ranch, Kelly Johnsom and Barnes Wallis.

And I *do* wonder how much chance Art would have stood without, for
example, the erks who maintained those noisy fan thingies hanging
from Willie's wings ...


I love the guys that maintained the noisy fan thingies that hung from Willies
wings.
But we went to war. They didn'lt. They were all great, everyone of them. We
couldn't have done without them. But they were not of the band of brothers.
Band of Brothers in the original Henry V context as well as the 101st AB meant
those who fought the enemy. No one else is included.
And that means you.

There were quite a number of RAF erks, particularly at Manston, who
would disagree with you.

But they can't. They died around the aircraft they were servicing.

Did Stansted get raided much?

Mike

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Fly tight for tight bomb patterns on the ground.
From: Robert Briggs UCKET
Date: 8/26/2004 11:30 AM Pacific Standard Time
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ArtKramr wrote:
Robert Briggs wrote:

Then, of course, there is a book by a man who was probably the
Royal Air Force's top man in weapon delivery ...

Probably???? could you please be a bit more vague in your totally
vague message.

If anyone in the RAF knew more about the topic than the late AVM
Don Bennett there's a fair chance he worked rather closely with
Bennett.



"A fair chance".? You are a master of uncertainty


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Art, you are being as dense as your supposed bombing pattern.

Mike wrote:



I love the guys that maintained the noisy fan thingies that hung from
Willies
wings.
But we went to war. They didn'lt. They were all great, everyone of them.
We
couldn't have done without them. But they were not of the band of
brothers.
Band of Brothers in the original Henry V context as well as the 101st AB
meant
those who fought the enemy. No one else is included.
And that means you.

Arthur Kramer

A quick question. I assume you volunteered for the air force - you weren't
drafted, were you?


He vounteered so that he wouldn't get drafted and have to fight.

Dave

Subject: Fly tight for tight bomb patterns on the ground.
From: "Mike"
Date: 8/26/2004 1:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Fly tight for tight bomb patterns on the ground.
From: Robert Briggs UCKET
Date: 8/26/2004 11:30 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

ArtKramr wrote:
Robert Briggs wrote:

Then, of course, there is a book by a man who was probably the
Royal Air Force's top man in weapon delivery ...

Probably???? could you please be a bit more vague in your totally
vague message.

If anyone in the RAF knew more about the topic than the late AVM
Don Bennett there's a fair chance he worked rather closely with
Bennett.



"A fair chance".? You are a master of uncertainty


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Art, you are being as dense as your supposed bombing pattern.


Thank you. Sorry for mentioning bombing patterns. From now on I'll try to use
examples that you are more likley to be familiar with.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Mike" wrote in message
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: the moron, was Fly tight for tight bomb patterns on
the
ground.
From: Robert Briggs UCKET
Date: 8/26/2004 10:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Howard Berkowitz wrote:

Those survivors accounted for the bombs that were loaded aboard Art's
plane.

Again, I'll ask about the overall wartime contribution of someone
clearly not on the pointy end, Constance Babington-Smith. If her name
is unfamiliar, that should be corrected. Or on the very very pointy
end, Noor Inayat Khan or Virgina Hall or Sydney Cotton. Or back at
the ranch, Kelly Johnsom and Barnes Wallis.

And I *do* wonder how much chance Art would have stood without, for
example, the erks who maintained those noisy fan thingies hanging
from Willie's wings ...


I love the guys that maintained the noisy fan thingies that hung from
Willies
wings.
But we went to war. They didn'lt. They were all great, everyone of them.
We
couldn't have done without them. But they were not of the band of
brothers.
Band of Brothers in the original Henry V context as well as the 101st AB
meant
those who fought the enemy. No one else is included.
And that means you.



Arthur Kramer


A quick question. I assume you volunteered for the air force - you
weren't
drafted, were you?

Actually, he told us a while back he volunteered just ahead of his draft
notice--that was at the same time he told us the Guard was sitting at home
in their armories while he was off to win the war for us (patently false,
since the entire Guard had been federalized some two or three years
earlier).

Brooks

Subject: Fly tight for tight bomb patterns on the ground.
From: "Mike"
Date: 8/26/2004 12:32 PM P

A quick question. I assume you volunteered for the air force - you weren't
drafted, were you?

Nobody is drafted into air cadet program Nobody. Aircrews are a 100% volunteer
units based on intensive testing and very high qualification standards.. I was
17 and in high school when I volunteered for the Air Cadets, I took the air
cadet tests. (90% washout rate) I passed both the written and the physical
tests and was called to action the first day I legally could be which was on my
18th birthday. Next thing I knew I was over Germany flying missions for which
draftees were not quite up to.




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Fly tight for tight bomb patterns on the ground.
From: "M. J. Powell"
Date: 8/26/2004 1:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
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In message , ArtKramr
writes
Subject: the moron, was Fly tight for tight bomb patterns on the
ground.
From: Robert Briggs UCKET
Date: 8/26/2004 10:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Howard Berkowitz wrote:

Those survivors accounted for the bombs that were loaded aboard Art's
plane.

Again, I'll ask about the overall wartime contribution of someone
clearly not on the pointy end, Constance Babington-Smith. If her name
is unfamiliar, that should be corrected. Or on the very very pointy
end, Noor Inayat Khan or Virgina Hall or Sydney Cotton. Or back at
the ranch, Kelly Johnsom and Barnes Wallis.

And I *do* wonder how much chance Art would have stood without, for
example, the erks who maintained those noisy fan thingies hanging
from Willie's wings ...


I love the guys that maintained the noisy fan thingies that hung from
Willies
wings.
But we went to war. They didn'lt. They were all great, everyone of them. We
couldn't have done without them. But they were not of the band of brothers.
Band of Brothers in the original Henry V context as well as the 101st AB
meant
those who fought the enemy. No one else is included.
And that means you.

There were quite a number of RAF erks, particularly at Manston, who
would disagree with you.

But they can't. They died around the aircraft they were servicing.

Did Stansted get raided much?

Mike


Yup. But we were too tough for them.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:

What the hell do you know about it?

Unlike you I'm aware of how to conduct Air Combat.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"