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"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message ... Jesus was a liberal. Then why do liberals hate him? Why don't liberals espouse the principals that Jesus taught? In fact, we do, mostly. We just deny that he's a particularly authoritative source, and arrive at many of the same principles from other directions. Now, if the *Christians* could just get together around those principles, we might have something. -- Ah. I was not aware that Jesus had said much about politics at all. Can you show me where Jesus taught enforced socialism? Where he favors abortion? What was Jesus' opinion of immigration? What did he think of campaign finance reform? What was his opinion of gay marriage? Where does Jesus say that governments should own all property? What did Jesus say about gun rights? What did he say about freedom of the press or of speech? Now, Jesus did say that adulterers, thieves, whoremongers, and the like will be thrust down to Hell, which does not bode well for most liberals (or conservatives, either). He also said that those who repent and stop doing those things will not suffer such a fate, but I don't find many liberals taking that very seriously. Jesus cursed the only tree mentioned in the narratives, and it died, so he can hardly be considered much of an environmentalist. In fact, he expresses no concern whatsoever when his disciples catch so many fish that the boat is in danger of sinking. Of course, the Creator of all things in Heaven and Earth could just create another tree or more fish if he wanted, so maybe he had different perspective. The most that can be said for Jesus' political opinions is that he said you should obey the laws of the land, be a good citizen, treat your servants and slaves well, and pay your taxes. He also said you should keep the commandments and that even anger was a form of murder and that looking at other women was adultery. Nope. I don't see where either liberals or conservatives have much claim to be followers of Jesus. Sorry. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: I think it odd that Democrats call their party the party of Jefferson. If Jefferson was alive today he'd be vilified by Democrats as a right wing extremist. He'd also be vilified by Republicans as a godless libertine. Free thinkers are despised by both parties. ". shake off all the fears and servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." -Thomas Jefferson -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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"darwin smith" wrote in message link.net... how much of the money spent on highway maintanance due to damage from trucks, and how much is from damage by cars? How much damage do you think a car is going to do to a highway that was built to support trucks? |
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message ... He'd also be vilified by Republicans as a godless libertine. Jefferson godless? |
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message ... "C J Campbell" wrote: Seems a number of people have forgotten that liberalism has abandoned liberal principles. Yup, and it's distressing to see conservatism in America is doing the same thing WRT conservative principles. -- Modern conservatives are not traditional conservatives any more than modern liberals are traditional liberals. Conservatives today seem to be a motley mix of radicals, anarchists, and brigands. It is especially weird to see the party of Lincoln (as it calls itself) almost completely taken over by racists and xenophobes. I never did figure out how the Democrats, who supported slavery and generally opposed any form of equal rights, managed to hijack that issue from the Republicans, who fought to free the slaves, passed the Equal Housing Act, and enacted many other such reforms. Nor have I figured out how the Democrats managed to hijack environmentalism from the Teddy Roosevelt Republicans. So now you have 'conservatives' running around talking about property rights and states' rights (originally created to protect slavery) and protecting large corporations while espousing populist principles. And you have the 'liberals' running around trying to limit free speech and press, disarming the public, and supporting the worst thugs and despots imaginable in other countries in the name of 'diversity' and 'tolerance.' |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net... "Dan Luke" wrote in message ... He'd also be vilified by Republicans as a godless libertine. Jefferson godless? Apparently deists are thought to be godless. |
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Wish the government would buy 2 airports near me, 1 airport's runway housing
semi trailers the other is going to be destroyed by a developer that will only leave 1 airport here that the city owns but for how long who knows? "Jason Peterson" wrote in message ... The local small airport near me was bought by the government to stop it from being bought by a home builder. Now tell me that it is the free market at work there. The land is worth millions, but the government wants to keep it an airport. I guess government spending is not so bad after all!!! Jason "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net... "Bill Denton" wrote in message ... How much did you pay the FAA last year, other than the same amount that non-flyers in your tax bracket paid? Considerably more, as the primary source of FAA funding is user taxes which are not paid by non-flyers. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
He'd also be vilified by Republicans as a godless libertine. Jefferson godless? He wasn't, of course. And I should have said "many Republicans," since the influence of Bible-inerrancy believing fundamentalists has not entirely pervaded the party. -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:01:43 -0500, Joe Young wrote:
Tell me about all the wonderful qualities that make him qualified to be the leader of the free world................ Whoever is next president over the He is 'only' the leader (president) of the US of A. #m -- A far-reaching proposal from the FBI (...) would require all broadband Internet providers, including cable modem and DSL companies, to rewire their networks to support easy wiretapping by police. http://news.com.com/2100-1028-5172948.html |
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