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(Mini-500)I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!
C.D.Damron wrote:
especiallyif lives are at stake. Denise Mohammad Bin Farris Al Fetters AKA Planeman don't give a sh*t about lives. He would have continued on if people let him. He's still designing more if you're game enough to buy them. |
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(Mini-500)I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!
Dear Sir,
We represent an investment Bank in UK. We provide the following services:- * Arrange Project finance, Short Term Finance for profitable projects. * Project funding with and without collateral (against Insurance wrap). * We arrange insurance guarantee also. We do not charge any upfront fee. Client will be dealing directly with bank. For more information, please feel free to contact us. With Regards Dennis |
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(Mini-500)I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!
Bin Fetters wrote:
Just like many commercial helicopters that also had premature failures (and that did test 2000 hours), including the R-22 and R-44, some of our components did not make it to the designed life. Your designs will never EVER be in the same league as that of Frank Robinson's and NONE of your designs made it even CLOSE to 2000 hours. |
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(Mini-500)I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!
Bin Fetters wrote:
Just like many commercial helicopters that also had premature failures (and that did test 2000 hours), including the R-22 and R-44, some of our components did not make it to the designed life. We had some quality control issues, as well as any new company with a product. Look at the R-22 and R-44 problems, and those were certified helicopters! Your designs will never EVER be in the same league as that of Frank Robinson's and NONE of your designs made it even CLOSE to 2000 hours. |
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(Mini-500)I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!
Everyone has a right to think they're designers, no matter how unsafe
their designs may be or how many has died because of it. |
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(Mini-500)I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!
Denise wrote:
This shows just how ignorant you really are. Just because I learned my lesson to not sell to the kitbuilt market, don't mean I stopped developing, building and selling. Hell, I got customers with money I'm selling to now. It's amazing how price separates the quality of customers you get. Not true for everyone, I did have many really good customers that could never afford to own a helicopter until I came out with the Mini-500. Prove it! Who did you sell what to? Are they ready to die? |
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(Mini-500)I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!
In article _jMkf.602344$_o.270005@attbi_s71,
"C.D.Damron" wrote: "Dennis Fetters" wrote in message . com... If you had some real-earth experience in what you were saying, then you would not be saying it. You don't have to design and market a helicopter to understand that you should probably design and test your product adequately before selling it. Call me old fashioned, but that is how I think it should be done, especially if lives are at stake. Maybe you "should," but if that were the business model prevalent in the real world today, Microsoft wouldn't be who they are. Imagine a product or service that needs to be "patched' every three days or so being successful in the market place. Utterly incomprehensible to Mac users and other men of proper wit. Snake oil goes by a lot of different monikers in different industries, but it isn't likely to be pulled off the shelves any time soon. Caveat Emptor. While I have the virtual floor, I'll add that I don't know anything about Mr. Fetters or his products, but since neither he nor his detractors seem able to discuss the issues like gentlemen, I put little credence in anything said here on this topic. That's unfortunate, because while I might have learned something interesting if not useful, all I've gained is another confirmation that flared nostrils do not win friends and influence people. |
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(Mini-500)I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!
C.D.Damron wrote:
"Dennis Fetters" wrote in message . com... If you had some real-earth experience in what you were saying, then you would not be saying it. You don't have to design and market a helicopter to understand that you should probably design and test your product adequately before selling it. No you don't... if you don't care if you succeed or not. The kitbuilt industry tests as much as it can afford before shipping product. If it were not for advanced sales, there would be no kitbuilt industry. Advanced sales is what any new kitbuilt company relies on to develop and manufacture their product. It is a fact of the industry. RHCI tested even more than most companies tested, and we continued testing until the day we closed. Call me old fashioned, but that is how I think it should be done, especially if lives are at stake. You are old fashion...... So am I. I think that is the way it should be done too. But, nothing moves without the money. If you want an alternative to certified aviation which offers kit aircraft at low prices, then the only solution is advanced sales, and less non-certified test time. C.D., think about it..... If a company that wants to setup and manufacture a helicopter spent 2 years to design and develop the aircraft, how much will it cost? Well, if it has only 5 employees and a moderate sized building, they would spend about $400,000 in wages alone, and about $60,000 on renting and fixed overhead. Cost of equipment will be around $25,000. Material and parts will be around $50,000, if you're lucky. If you don't crash the first flight or make any costly mistakes, you just spent $535,000, and now you have something that just flew today. Take another year and a half to test and modify, while your setting up production tooling and building parts to reach a goal of shipping 5 kits weekly, you will spend another $300,000 in wages, $45,000 in rent and fixed overhead, and maybe another $20,000 in modifications, if you're lucky. You just spent another $365,000, totaling $900,000 and you haven't shipped nothing yet. Now you are ready to ship, but wait, what about the parts to ship? They were not for free! To end up with only 50 aircraft sitting on the shelves, a mire 10 weeks worth of inventory to ship, you had to spend around $1,050,000. What, you think the vendors were going to let you pay later? HAH!!! One other thing. You can't put 50 aircraft worth of parts on the shelves with only 5 people in a modest sized shop. It takes a factory of around 52 people and 24,000 sq. ft. You had to hire, train and pay these people over the last 4 months. With an average shop wage of only $30,000 a year, rent of around $16,000 and around $40,000 to outfit the building. That last 4 months just cost you $576,000. So, here we are, shipping our fist aircraft today that we sold for $28,000!!! You have invested $2,526,000. Wait, lets step back to when we had only 5 employees and a modest sized shop, where you were spending only $267,500 a year. Now you want to test for 2000 hours after you spent $535,000 just to get where you can fly something. If you fly 5 hours a day, 5 days a week, you can log 1,300 hours in a year. So at this rate, you will take 19 months, say 2 years because you have to disassemble and inspect every 50 hours. Lets say you don't crash of even have to redesign anything. BANG!! You just spent another $535,000 and got away cheep. So, you got 2000 hours of testing under your belt at a cost of $1,070,000. Now you're ready to sell something, or are you one of these type of people that would start selling something before you had a factory to produce it with?? C.D., if you don't think these numbers are real, then go out there and do it yourself, and see. Yes, we're old fashion, you and I. The big difference between us is, I've done the above, and you have not. We live in the real world, and people that have not designed and manufactured their own helicopter could never comprehend what it takes to do so. You may think you do, wish you did, but you don't, yet you so easily judge. Dennis Fetters Designer of; Air Command 1/plcs Gyroplanes Air Command 2/plcs Gyroplanes Mini-500 1/Plcs Helicopter Voyager-500 2/Plcs Helicopter Excalibur 5/Plcs Turbine Helicopter Star-Lite-A VTUAV Helicopter Star-Lite-B VTUAV Helicopter |
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(Mini-500)I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!
No need to waste my time discussing it with you. What I said below is
correct, unchanged. Helper wrote: Dennis Fetters wrote: Helper wrote: Dennis Fetters wrote: WRONG!! In our literature we said that we designed the components to a 2000 hour TBO. Ah. You deliberately misled customers by using weasel words, but didn't quite say "to", you used the word "with". Here are some quotes from various brochures over the years: Ah HA!! Mr. Help, you are no help. People are not as stupid as you portray them to be. Well that's a switch! You marketed to entry-level customers. Then after your collapse, you portrayed them as stupid, incapable, and the cause of all your problems. How many customers do you think purchased a Mini-500 without calling us to ask questions? How many do you think didn't understand what we wrote, or those that didn't understand about the 2000 hours asked for clarification? How many people do you think really thought they were purchasing a fully 2000 hour tested helicopter for only $20,000 to $28,000. We'll never know how many of them thought what. Why do you think other people are so stupid? Or, do you judge all others as if they were equal to you? I guess if "you" would have been someone that purchased a Mini-500 based on your belief it had a 2000 tested component life, then I would actually owe someone an apology for their lacking braid capacity to understand. Lucky for me, you didn't buy one. All components, except the Rotax 582 engine, were designed with a 2,000 hour T.B.O. All components, except the engine, are designed with a TBO of at least 2,000 hours. High TBO: All components except the engine and lifetime composite main blades, are designed with a TBO up to 2,000 hours. The main transmission contains a set of ground spiral bevel ring and pinion gears, designed and manufactured specifically for the Mini-500B to give a 2,000 hour TBO. Thank you for backing up what we advertised. LOL! It was pure hyperbole. You never backed it up then, and nobody's backing it up now. We also stated that they were not tested to a 2000 hour TBO. You _never_ stated any such thing. Yes we did. Naw, I've got a bunch of brochures here and there's nothing of the sort, not a hint. You're not very popular here, ya' notice? Feeling kind of alone? Maybe it's time for you to pop up as "planeman" again and praise yourself. Believe me, I don't waste a single moment worrying about anything you think. Dennis Fetters Designer of; Air Command 1/plcs Gyroplanes Air Command 2/plcs Gyroplanes Mini-500 1/Plcs Helicopter Voyager-500 2/Plcs Helicopter Excalibur 5/Plcs Turbine Helicopter Star-Lite-A VTUAV Helicopter Star-Lite-B VTUAV Helicopter |
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(Mini-500)I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!
Helper wrote:
C.D.Damron wrote: "Dennis Fetters" wrote in message . com... If you had some real-earth experience in what you were saying, then you would not be saying it. You don't have to design and market a helicopter to understand that you should probably design and test your product adequately before selling it. Call me old fashioned, but that is how I think it should be done, especially if lives are at stake. I'm sure Denise recognizes that lives are at risk. Looks like he is marketing special bags for Mini-500 pilots. http://tinyurl.com/8jfcv You can not reason with someone that has a childish behavior. A bad mannered one at that. Dennis Fetters Designer of; Air Command 1/plcs Gyroplanes Air Command 2/plcs Gyroplanes Mini-500 1/Plcs Helicopter Voyager-500 2/Plcs Helicopter Excalibur 5/Plcs Turbine Helicopter Star-Lite-A VTUAV Helicopter Star-Lite-B VTUAV Helicopter |
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