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I'm not "beating on it" I was responding to someones post.
I agree that Jeff had an "experience". The issue is that he is blaming his "experience" on someone else instead of taking responsibility for it and learning from it. Mike MU-2 "PaulaJay1" wrote in message ... In article . net, "Mike Rapoport" writes: OK, if ATC was unable to accommodate the request (to stay clear of the cloud), would you come here ranting about their incompetence? Do you think the airline pilots would? Get off it, Mike. Jeff had an "experience" and he shared it with us and we've had our comments - pro and con. Your continuing to beat on it will make the less calloused in the group not post. We will all (you included if you have anything to learn) be the worse for it. Personally, I've followed the advice or direction of someone else (both controllers and my wife) and later found that I wish I hadn't. I'd like this group to be free discussion with less vitriol. Chuck |
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Mike Rapoport wrote: Anybody who files IFR from Las Vegas to Pheonix has to expect to go over DRK. Mike MU-2 Not if they file to go south then come in from the west over Buckeye. In an MU-2, you're right, who cares? But, in a Cessna 182, if I want to fly the extra miles for my perception of safety, that should be my choice. Aircraft enter the PHX terminal airspace from over Buckeye just as much as they do from over Drake. |
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PaulaJay1 wrote:
In article , "Matthew S. Whiting" writes: Is this true for all positions? I think our local controllers (sleepy old ELM) sometimes work tower and ground at the same time and you don't hear the ground communications on tower and vice versa. My experience when this would happen is that tower says "stay with me" or "stay this freq" instead of working me on a different freq. Chuck That happens often on the way back in, but they've always used .9 for clearance delivery and taxi clearance outbound. Often when I arrived late at night I would get the stay with me instruction. However, I always call the ground frequency when heading out and have never been instructed to switch to tower for either my IFR or taxi clearance. Matt |
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Well, it depends what your definition of "high clouds" is. When a
monsoon hits Phoenix during the summer (6 or 7 nights a week, ALL of summer) the ceiling usually gets down to between 700 feet and 1000 feet. I consider that fairly low, and it will most definitely cover most mountains in the Phoenix area. Doug Jeff wrote in message ... but its high clouds for the most part, you dont get the clouds covering the mountains like you had this last week or so. |
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Jeff wrote in message ...
I dont know if its up to the controller or not on how they process IFR requests, but this was not a pop up, he had my flight plan. Jeff, not meaning to pick on you, but this is one of the points: How do you know he had your flight plan? If you filed an IFR flight plan originating in ABQ airspace, the Phoenix TRACON wouldn't have your flight plan or a strip on you or any other info about you, until the ATC facility where your flight plan originated "departs" you. I didn't know this until we were "bitten" in a somewhat similar way, departing in ZKC airspace and trying to pick up a clearance from T75 (Stl Tracon) and I followed up on it. Even though we departed from an airport quite close to T75 they wouldn't get a thing on us until ZKC "departed" us, the controller had to call ZKC. Depending on the airspace maybe figure out who to call. In hind site, I know now not to expect to be able to do this in the phoenix area, and to get any clearance I need going into phoenix from ABQ. Well, at the least, I would remain where you're comfortable while you get the situation sorted out...or make sure you file an IFR plan which originates somewhere inside PHX airspace so they'll definately have your plan. Just my $0.02, Sydney |
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Jeff wrote in message ...
I was not dependent on them granting my every wish nor was I dependent on anything except being able to land. I guess my problem was decending in the first place when he said he was looking for my clearance and told to do so assuming he would pull it up. He damn sure pulled it up quick when I made my last call to him, he didnt even need to ask my tail number again or any other information, so it appears to me had had access to it the entire time and just did not want to mess with it. It may "appear to you" but that's not necessarily correct. Apparently you were receiving radar services of some sort (flight following) so he would have your tail number for that, or he may have written it down to follow up and look for your flight plan. If he had to call ABQ and ask them to depart you as sounds likely, the strip could have come through to him just before you called back. Also, if he had reason to believe that you were in weather difficulty (which is what your account of your last transmission sounds like to me), like any good controller he is going to put a higher priority on tracking down your flight plan pronto and if I understand correctly he also has more leeway to give you a clearance now and track down the rest of the info later. Cheers, Sydney |
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"Doug" wrote in message om... Yeah, and if you DIDN'T flile a flightplan, tell 'em you did, at a FSS Far, Far Away. Why? |
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True, but if the MOAs are active then it will be a *really* long flight.
Eyeballing it on Flightmap, it looks about 90nm longer. Most of the traffic over Buckeye is probably coming from Los Angeles not Las Vegas Mike MU-2 wrote in message ... Mike Rapoport wrote: Anybody who files IFR from Las Vegas to Pheonix has to expect to go over DRK. Mike MU-2 Not if they file to go south then come in from the west over Buckeye. In an MU-2, you're right, who cares? But, in a Cessna 182, if I want to fly the extra miles for my perception of safety, that should be my choice. Aircraft enter the PHX terminal airspace from over Buckeye just as much as they do from over Drake. |
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