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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
On Mar 10, 10:56*am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
How would lasers mounted on the AWAC affect the dynamic? Might as well mount the lasers on sharks. The future is the virtual AWACS. Take a half dozen F-22s in and they can cover most of the sky. (Would it really really kill the USAF to mount those side radars?) Then MADL links everybody together. -HJC |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
On Mar 10, 1:56*pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
... How would lasers mounted on the AWAC affect the dynamic?... Ken- Ever been on an AWACS? They are quite full of people watching terminals, not much room for megawatt laser power supplies. jsw |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
On Mar 10, 4:03 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Mar 10, 1:56 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote: ... How would lasers mounted on the AWAC affect the dynamic?... Ken- Ever been on an AWACS? They are quite full of people watching terminals, not much room for megawatt laser power supplies. jsw Here's a recent report about mobile LASER capability, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4926840 where we'll be in 5-10 years together with better electronics is hard to say. It's reminds of a B-17 type turreted gunship using LASER pulses in place of bullets, it's (reportedly) been demo'd. Ken |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
On Mar 10, 8:27*pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Mar 10, 4:03 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote: On Mar 10, 1:56 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote: ... How would lasers mounted on the AWAC affect the dynamic?... Ken- Ever been on an AWACS? They are quite full of people watching terminals, not much room for megawatt laser power supplies. jsw Here's a recent report about mobile LASER capability,http://www.msnbc.msn..com/id/4926840 where we'll be in 5-10 years together with better electronics is hard to say. It's reminds of a B-17 type turreted gunship using LASER pulses in place of bullets, it's (reportedly) been demo'd. Hard to say but easy to assume that AWACS platforms won't be getting any bigger, so it's not like there will be all this spare space and power capacity. AWACS will continue to be dependent on fighter cover; any self-defense capability will probably come from heavy focused beams of microwave frying Red Force avionics (or injecting code bugs into them...I've heard about that more than once from informed sources). |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Mar 10, 4:03 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote: On Mar 10, 1:56 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote: ... How would lasers mounted on the AWAC affect the dynamic?... Ken- Ever been on an AWACS? They are quite full of people watching terminals, not much room for megawatt laser power supplies. jsw Here's a recent report about mobile LASER capability, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4926840 where we'll be in 5-10 years together with better electronics is hard to say. It's reminds of a B-17 type turreted gunship using LASER pulses in place of bullets, it's (reportedly) been demo'd. Ken Last I heard the lasers in question were chemical lasers which fill the cargo bay of a 747. I don't think you have a clue how little free space is AWACS. It's obvious you have never been in one, I have. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
Danelda, you're still posting, nice to hear from you.
On Mar 10, 6:59 pm, Dan wrote: Ken S. Tucker wrote: On Mar 10, 4:03 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote: On Mar 10, 1:56 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote: ... How would lasers mounted on the AWAC affect the dynamic?... Ken- Ever been on an AWACS? They are quite full of people watching terminals, not much room for megawatt laser power supplies. jsw Here's a recent report about mobile LASER capability, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4926840 where we'll be in 5-10 years together with better electronics is hard to say. It's reminds of a B-17 type turreted gunship using LASER pulses in place of bullets, it's (reportedly) been demo'd. Ken Last I heard the lasers in question were chemical lasers which fill the cargo bay of a 747. I don't think you have a clue how little free space is AWACS. It's obvious you have never been in one, I have. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Late 60's Star Trek had 'communicators', in the 70's I worked with others on digitizing TX/Rx, now a 10 yr old brat has more ability in a cell phone (like 20x eh) than Cpt Kirk had in the fiction of 2200's, It's applied physics, personally I'd perfer humans negotiate rather than exploite that power to kill each other, what do you think? Ken |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
Danelda, you're still posting, nice to hear from you. On Mar 10, 6:59 pm, Dan wrote: Ken S. Tucker wrote: On Mar 10, 4:03 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote: On Mar 10, 1:56 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote: ... How would lasers mounted on the AWAC affect the dynamic?... Ken- Ever been on an AWACS? They are quite full of people watching terminals, not much room for megawatt laser power supplies. jsw Here's a recent report about mobile LASER capability, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4926840 where we'll be in 5-10 years together with better electronics is hard to say. It's reminds of a B-17 type turreted gunship using LASER pulses in place of bullets, it's (reportedly) been demo'd. Ken Last I heard the lasers in question were chemical lasers which fill the cargo bay of a 747. I don't think you have a clue how little free space is AWACS. It's obvious you have never been in one, I have. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Late 60's Star Trek had 'communicators', in the 70's I worked with others on digitizing TX/Rx, now a 10 yr old brat has more ability in a cell phone (like 20x eh) than Cpt Kirk had in the fiction of 2200's, It's applied physics, personally I'd perfer humans negotiate rather than exploite that power to kill each other, what do you think? Ken Noted as unresponsive. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
On Mar 9, 11:21*am, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Geoffrey Sinclair" wrote in message . au... "Ray O'Hara" wrote in message ... The 109 was better than the Hurricane and the Spit and 109 were basically equals. the Spit is prettier British aerial *victory claims are vastly exagerated in the BoB. During the Battle of Britain the RAF over claimed by about 2 to 1. If that is vastly exaggerated what does the Luftwaffe over claim of 3 to 1 for fighter kills and overall up to 5 to 1 when you count bomber claims, rate as? *The RAF fighter force over claims over France in 1941, also up to 5 to 1? *The USAAF heavy bomber gunner over claims were even higher, if 2 to 1 is vastly exaggerated what is the description for the bomber gunners? Generally the rule was the fewer the number of aircraft the more deadly the fight and the more accurate the claims, the larger the number of aircraft the safer the fight and the less accurate the claims. *Hence the 12 Group Big Wing looked far more impressive at the time than it was. The reputation of the Spitfire started early, 1 July to 31 October 1940 the German fighter pilots claimed 1,266 Spitfires and 719 Hurricanes, something approaching the reverse of the 2 Hurricanes to 1 Spitfire present in Fighter Command. Geoffrey Sinclair Remove the nb for email. Bombers would overclaim because several bombers would claim the same kill.. one wonders how much damge B-17s did to each other. especially the waist gunners. One of the UK posters a while back mentioned a Luftwaffe night fighter pilot who saw two Lancasters shoot each other down one night. |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
On Mar 10, 8:53 pm, Dan wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote: Danelda, you're still posting, nice to hear from you. On Mar 10, 6:59 pm, Dan wrote: Ken S. Tucker wrote: On Mar 10, 4:03 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote: On Mar 10, 1:56 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote: ... How would lasers mounted on the AWAC affect the dynamic?... Ken- Ever been on an AWACS? They are quite full of people watching terminals, not much room for megawatt laser power supplies. jsw Here's a recent report about mobile LASER capability, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4926840 where we'll be in 5-10 years together with better electronics is hard to say. It's reminds of a B-17 type turreted gunship using LASER pulses in place of bullets, it's (reportedly) been demo'd. Ken Last I heard the lasers in question were chemical lasers which fill the cargo bay of a 747. I don't think you have a clue how little free space is AWACS. It's obvious you have never been in one, I have. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Late 60's Star Trek had 'communicators', in the 70's I worked with others on digitizing TX/Rx, now a 10 yr old brat has more ability in a cell phone (like 20x eh) than Cpt Kirk had in the fiction of 2200's, It's applied physics, personally I'd perfer humans negotiate rather than exploite that power to kill each other, what do you think? Ken Noted as unresponsive. Hi Danelda. No offense, but wife's beens watching my posts since you started flirting with me, so I need to watch my p's and q's, you know. Post a pic, or a resume of your interests, if I'm not interested there's a few fella's who could smolder your hot flames with masculine favors. Ken |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
On Mar 10, 6:01*pm, Typhoon502 wrote:
On Mar 10, 8:27*pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote: On Mar 10, 4:03 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote: On Mar 10, 1:56 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote: ... How would lasers mounted on the AWAC affect the dynamic?... Ken- Ever been on an AWACS? They are quite full of people watching terminals, not much room for megawatt laser power supplies. jsw Here's a recent report about mobile LASER capability,http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4926840 where we'll be in 5-10 years together with better electronics is hard to say. It's reminds of a B-17 type turreted gunship using LASER pulses in place of bullets, it's (reportedly) been demo'd. Hard to say but easy to assume that AWACS platforms won't be getting any bigger, so it's not like there will be all this spare space and power capacity. AWACS will continue to be dependent on fighter cover; any self-defense capability will probably come from heavy focused beams of microwave frying Red Force avionics (or injecting code bugs into them...I've heard about that more than once from informed sources). AWACS stay out of the battle. Their purpose is to stay out on the fringe and let the sensors work from afar. This distractive argument has no real weight in the discussion. They don't plan or intend to get into the battle. If the bad guys leave the main battle to go after the sensor platforms, they leave the primary targets undefended. "Oooh, we took out your AWACS haha, sure you then went on to take out all of your primary targets but we got your AWACS which now that we have lost all our defenses you don't really need anymore..." BB |
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