China to buy Eurofighters?

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:53:11 +0000, phil hunt wrote:

In England, only about 1/3 of the population
want to be in the EU right now.

Yes, and probably only 1/3 want to be out.

Note that in EB59, in the UK: only 30% say the EU is a good thing
but only 25% say it's a bad thing.

Look it up yourself: it's on page 37, and the EB59 results are
available from:

http://europa.eu.int/comm/public_opinion/standard_en.htm

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ess (phil hunt) wrote:

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:53:11 +0000, phil hunt
wrote:

In England, only about 1/3 of the population
want to be in the EU right now.

Yes, and probably only 1/3 want to be out.

Note that in EB59, in the UK: only 30% say the EU is a good thing
but only 25% say it's a bad thing.

Hey - you're right.

Less than one in three EU citizens think the EU is a good thing.

Thanks.

Different from what I claimed before, but just about as damning.

Look it up yourself: it's on page 37, and the EB59 results are
available from:

http://europa.eu.int/comm/public_opinion/standard_en.htm

One nice quote:

"However, we are still far from the rates observed at the beginning of
the Nineties when 72% of Europeans considered EU Membership to be a good
thing."

Not a good trend.

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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:58:40 +0000, John Mullen wrote:

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On 9 Dec 2003 07:49:55 -0800, (jb) wrote:

John Cook wrote in message . ..
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:18:35 -0600, Alan Minyard
wrote:

Actually, the eurofighter is already at least two generations behind the
F-22/F-35. By the time the Chinese get one it will be 3-4 generations
behind.


Hmmm... Typhoon at least two generations behind the F-22 and
F-35???????, Ok I'll bite.

Al is right on this one. It will take 2 generations until the F22
becomes operational. If they don't throw the entire project into the
recycle bin, that is.

Get over it. Both the F-22 and F-35 are at least two generations ahead
of the typhoon. Both employ significant LO technology and advanced
avionics that Typhoon simply cannot match (or even come close to).

Al Minyard

In message , Alan Minyard
writes
John Cook wrote in message
...
Hmmm... Typhoon at least two generations behind the F-22 and
F-35???????, Ok I'll bite.

Get over it. Both the F-22 and F-35 are at least two generations ahead
of the typhoon.

Two generations back gets you the F-4 Phantom and the BAC Lightning...
I'd have thought that the Typhoon was at least some advance on the
1960s.

Both employ significant LO technology and advanced
avionics that Typhoon simply cannot match (or even come close to).

You might want to check the source of many of those avionics, and where
else they are used...

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:37:21 +0000, Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message , Alan Minyard
writes
John Cook wrote in message
m...
Hmmm... Typhoon at least two generations behind the F-22 and
F-35???????, Ok I'll bite.

Get over it. Both the F-22 and F-35 are at least two generations ahead
of the typhoon.

Two generations back gets you the F-4 Phantom and the BAC Lightning...
I'd have thought that the Typhoon was at least some advance on the
1960s.

Indeed. Al's bull****ting. I guess he's either stupid or trolling.


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Get over it. Both the F-22 and F-35 are at least two generations ahead
of the typhoon.

Two generations back gets you the F-4 Phantom and the BAC Lightning...
I'd have thought that the Typhoon was at least some advance on the
1960s.

I was thinking it was more like half a generation....Since the F-22 would
probably fall under 5th, and Typhoon, Rafael, and even possibly Gripen, are 4.5
generation.


Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:37:21 +0000, Paul J. Adam news@jrwly
nch.demon.co.uk wrote:
Two generations back gets you the F-4 Phantom and the BAC Lightning...
I'd have thought that the Typhoon was at least some advance on the
1960s.

Indeed. Al's bull****ting. I guess he's either stupid or trolling.

I'll go for dogmatic and nationalistic. He's not a bad guy at all -
consistent and courteous, just very vehement in some of his opinions.

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:05:48 +0000, Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message , phil hunt
writes
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:37:21 +0000, Paul J. Adam news@jrwly
nch.demon.co.uk wrote:
Two generations back gets you the F-4 Phantom and the BAC Lightning...
I'd have thought that the Typhoon was at least some advance on the
1960s.

Indeed. Al's bull****ting. I guess he's either stupid or trolling.

I'll go for dogmatic and nationalistic. He's not a bad guy at all -
consistent and courteous, just very vehement in some of his opinions.

I'd agree. I think dogmatism is a from of self-inflicted stupidity;
basically one is negating the possiblity than one may be wrong. Of
course, everyone is wrong from time to time.

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"Alan Minyard" a écrit dans le message de news:
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 22:09:23 +0000, "Paul J. Adam"
wrote:

In message , Alan Minyard
writes
Selling the most advanced aircraft that you are capable of building
to obviously hostile, repressive regimes is not the act of a "friend"

Al, you do realise that France is not part of the Eurofighter consortium
and so is only interested in selling Rafale? (Which story hasn't
appeared... yet).

Now me, I'd be more worried about how military technology seems to go to
Israel and then appear in Beijing shortly thereafter, but that's just
me.

I certainly agree with regards to Israel, we need to put a muzzle on that
hound.
As for Rafale, it is a non-starter on the international market, but not
due to any
qualms on the part of the French. It is simply a poor aircraft.


Bla bla bla Minyard!
You tell that because it is franch,and ONLY for that reason.
How can a "poor aircraft" win a technical competition aigainst the F.15E?


Al Minyard